Somalia: State of the Nation 1 January, 2010

[paidmonk]

With Al-Shabab's eminent downfall and security situation in Gedo region and diminishing influence in central regions alongside new US support and revamped aid for warlord militias and pro-government groups, a new federal map has surfaced.

Tan: Neighboring Regions & States
Blue: Puntland autonomous state
Purple: Galmudug autonomous state, headed by GM Administration
Brown: Central administrative zone headed by Ahlu-Sunnah group
Yellow: Benadir administrative zone governed directly by TFG with help from clan militias & Indhocadde
Green: Southwestern administrative zone governed by local clans with heavy Ethiopian troop presence
Orange: Jubbaland state co-administered by various warlord & clan alliances

[Shirib]

U know I'm afraid we're headed back that way. Back to the qab qables.

Thanks for the peace and security Shabaab but Somali's love isbaaro's and their qab qables

[Murax]

Thanks for the peace and security Shabaab but Somali's love isbaaro's and their qab qables

Oh please, quit making it look like Somalis have to chose between Shabab and isbaaros. Shabab is going to leave and D&M is gonna have to find a way to karbash Indacadde on their own, and not use thousands of Somali misguided youths to do it

[Voltage]

I know it kills you inside, but its fixed now.

[Voltage]

Thanks for the peace and security Shabaab but Somali's love isbaaro's and their qab qables

Oh please, quit making it look like Somalis have to chose between Shabab and isbaaros. Shabab is going to leave and D&M is gonna have to find a way to karbash Indacadde on their own, and not use thousands of Somali misguided youths to do it

Well he is right sxb. Somalis will revert back to warlordism and the choice really is between isbaro and the present situation. I am telling you, I have come to understand the Somali psyche very well. Puntland which is a sub-clan area surrounded on three fronts by water and the other sides by friendly related clans cannot deal effectively with the excess of the Somali culture. How do you expect the diverse south to deal with it?

[Muhammad bin Harti]

I see reer waqooyi has re-united with their Falasha kinsfolk.

[Murax]

Thanks for the peace and security Shabaab but Somali's love isbaaro's and their qab qables

Oh please, quit making it look like Somalis have to chose between Shabab and isbaaros. Shabab is going to leave and D&M is gonna have to find a way to karbash Indacadde on their own, and not use thousands of Somali misguided youths to do it

Well he is right sxb. Somalis will revert back to warlordism and the choice really is between isbaro and the present situation. I am telling you, I have come to understand the Somali psyche very well. Puntland which is a sub-clan area surrounded on three fronts by water and the other sides by friendly related clans cannot deal effectively with the excess of the Somali culture. How do you expect the diverse south to deal with it?

Actually this is worse than warlordism When You add in the collective damage. Somalia Has either 3 futures:

To become a pariah Aghanaistan type of a State, and even worse turn the Somali people into pariahs. A Somali Youth even travelling to Kenya is guaranteed a interrogation coming back Stateside.

The Int'l comes in and a 180 degree turn admin is set up Where every dugsi macalin teacher and Imam is sent to Guantanomo

Somalia goes back to the warlord days, Where while there was insecurity, most of the Major Southern Towns with the exception of Mogadishu (Beledweyn, Jowhar, Marka, Kismaayo) Have adminisrations albiet warlord administrations.

I would rather go back to the warlords, and most asute Somali Men, and the stateholders in Somalia would rather go back to.

[Shirib]

Thanks for the peace and security Shabaab but Somali's love isbaaro's and their qab qables

Oh please, quit making it look like Somalis have to chose between Shabab and isbaaros. Shabab is going to leave and D&M is gonna have to find a way to karbash Indacadde on their own, and not use thousands of Somali misguided youths to do it

This has much to do with D&M as it does Mareehaan, come back with a better thing, cause the situation is isbaaro's and warlords or Shabaab. And Shabaab only exist cause of isbaaro's and warlords, if Somalia got their act together the first f*cken 15 years we wouldn't have this problem, but no Somali's are in love with their warlords, their isbaaros, their looting, and ill gotten goods.

[Murax]

Thanks for the peace and security Shabaab but Somali's love isbaaro's and their qab qables

Oh please, quit making it look like Somalis have to chose between Shabab and isbaaros. Shabab is going to leave and D&M is gonna have to find a way to karbash Indacadde on their own, and not use thousands of Somali misguided youths to do it

This has much to do with D&M as it does Mareehaan, come back with a better thing, cause the situation is isbaaro's and warlords or Shabaab. And Shabaab only exist cause of isbaaro's and warlords, if Somalia got their act together the first f*cken 15 years we wouldn't have this problem, but no Somali's are in love with their warlords, their isbaaros, their looting, and ill gotten goods.

At that statement. Shabab exist as a armed group with no respect for Muslim blood or sancity. Its one thing to kill a Somali cuz of qabil, or cuz of rivalries, greed. etc. but there is nothing more pitiful then killing one by calling Him a kaffir. 2ndly, the warlords were devastating but for one their devastation never reached outside the Country. Whoever leaves their area of control and goes somewhere else would be safe from them. With Shabab? Any Somalia whether He is in Holland, the US or Kenya Has a bulls eye right on their neck. Somali personal freedom of movement, image, and International view of them was severely damaged by this little teenage group with a big mouth. If Somalia was a well to do nation, that was strong and vibrant then who gives a damn what the world thinks. However since millions of Somalis are in the West, including single mothers, young students, assylum seekers etc. obviously it does matter what our international image is. On the ground in Somalia, these people have done nothing but try everything in their power to attract all sorts of battles into Somalia by threatening Somalia's neighbors, and heck even America themselves, in addition to getting Somalis from Hargeisa to come their and blow themselves up. This is so much bigger than D&M etc. You're right, but You're looking at it from such a primitive angle, You'll never get it. These Guys screwed Somalia over 100 times more than a million warlords can

[Shirib]

Murax,

If that statement is so funny, how do u explain that these loonies have support? No one would support them in a place that was peaceful, they could never exist, they would have no way of ever surfacing, these guys exist solely for the reason that southern Somalia has seen a crazy amount of injustices, a whole generation has been brought up in war and believe it or not these loonies, are god sent to some people. Not to you and me cause we live in prosperity, but for some people they haven't even known what that looks like for nearly 20 years. Situation sucks, Al Shabaab is not a solution, they have no siyaasi, and attract a target on Somalia and Somali's, but who are we kidding, the solution is not better, simply cause there is no solution, unless you call complete anarchy a solution.

[Mr. Yungnfresh]

At that statement. Shabab exist as a armed group with no respect for Muslim blood or sancity. Its one thing to kill a Somali cuz of qabil, or cuz of rivalries, greed. etc. but there is nothing more pitiful then killing one by calling Him a kaffir. 2ndly, the warlords were devastating but for one their devastation never reached outside the Country. Whoever leaves their area of control and goes somewhere else would be safe from them. With Shabab? Any Somalia whether He is in Holland, the US or Kenya Has a bulls eye right on their neck. Somali personal freedom of movement, image, and International view of them was severely damaged by this little teenage group with a big mouth. If Somalia was a well to do nation, that was strong and vibrant then who gives a damn what the world thinks. However since millions of Somalis are in the West, including single mothers, young students, assylum seekers etc. obviously it does matter what our international image is. On the ground in Somalia, these people have done nothing but try everything in their power to attract all sorts of battles into Somalia by threatening Somalia's neighbors, and heck even America themselves, in addition to getting Somalis from Hargeisa to come their and blow themselves up. This is so much bigger than D&M etc. You're right, but You're looking at it from such a primitive angle, You'll never get it. These Guys screwed Somalia over 100 times more than a million warlords can

Great points sxb. With the warlords, their carnage was contained and limited to the borders of their isbaaro-zones. Al-Shabaab single-handedly turned every Somali in the world into "suspected affiliates of Al-Qaeda affiliates". The recent wave of young American-Somalis returning to fight for Al-Shabaab doesn't help either, since most countries will take on the "if it can happen somewhere like America, a powerful beacon of democracy and liberty, and hardly a hotbed for terrorism, why can't it happen here" approach, and speculate that it's only a matter of time before the chickens come home to roost. The rest of the world doesn't care if you're a TFG-supporter, ASWJ supporter, Puntlander, Somalilander, etc. If you look Somali, you look like you might be a terrorist and that's something that won't go away any time soon.

[Khalid Ali]

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Ciidanka Booliiska ee gobolka Buuhoodle oo la wareegay saldhiga magaalada Buuhoodle.
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Wararka aan ka helayno degmada Buuhoodle ee goboloka Buuhoodle ayaa sheegaya in ciidamada Booliiska ee Somaliland ay la wareegeen saldhiga ciidanka booliiska ee degmada,oo ay halkaas ku sugnaayeen malayshiyo beeleed.Ciidanka ayaa markay la wareegayeen saldhiga waxaa rasaaseeyey malyshiyadii iyadoo halkaas uu ka dhacay dhaawacyo ay qaar ka mid ahi yihiin ciidanka booliiska,qaarna malayshiyadii ciidanka xabadaysay.


Waxaa magaalada Buuhoodle wakhtiyadii u danbeeyey soo gaadhay ciidamo si fiican loo soo tababaray oo mudo ku xaraysnaa dugsiga tababarka ee ciidamada,iyagoo maalmihii ugu danbeeyey bilaabay qorshayaal ay ku sugayaan amaanka degmada iyo guud ahaanba gobolka buuhoodle.

Dadka dhaawacu soo gaadhay ayaa waxaa ka mid ah taliyihii ciidanka ee degmada ,oo ah dhaawac fudud,balse ay ku guulaysten inay malayshiyadii ak saaraan saldhiga.

Xaalada magaalada ayaa degan,iyadoo ay hada ciidanku hawshooda shaqo si caadi ah u wataan,waxaana jira odayaal iyo waxgaradka degamada oo la shaqaynaya ciidanka booliiska,si aan rabsahado kale u dhicin.


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[FAH1223]

Al-Shabab is better than warlords, who are you niccaz kidding? On the ground atleast they don't loot, rob people.

internationally, yeah they are a real nuisance and thats from their lack of wisdom and siyasi

but somalia really has no future anyway...between the past 18 years v. a bunch of teenagers

[Cumar-Labasuul]

If SL is annexed by ethiopia what makes you think our pirate neighbours won't get annexed too.

[Murax]

At that statement. Shabab exist as a armed group with no respect for Muslim blood or sancity. Its one thing to kill a Somali cuz of qabil, or cuz of rivalries, greed. etc. but there is nothing more pitiful then killing one by calling Him a kaffir. 2ndly, the warlords were devastating but for one their devastation never reached outside the Country. Whoever leaves their area of control and goes somewhere else would be safe from them. With Shabab? Any Somalia whether He is in Holland, the US or Kenya Has a bulls eye right on their neck. Somali personal freedom of movement, image, and International view of them was severely damaged by this little teenage group with a big mouth. If Somalia was a well to do nation, that was strong and vibrant then who gives a damn what the world thinks. However since millions of Somalis are in the West, including single mothers, young students, assylum seekers etc. obviously it does matter what our international image is. On the ground in Somalia, these people have done nothing but try everything in their power to attract all sorts of battles into Somalia by threatening Somalia's neighbors, and heck even America themselves, in addition to getting Somalis from Hargeisa to come their and blow themselves up. This is so much bigger than D&M etc. You're right, but You're looking at it from such a primitive angle, You'll never get it. These Guys screwed Somalia over 100 times more than a million warlords can

Great points sxb. With the warlords, their carnage was contained and limited to the borders of their isbaaro-zones. Al-Shabaab single-handedly turned every Somali in the world into "suspected affiliates of Al-Qaeda affiliates". The recent wave of young American-Somalis returning to fight for Al-Shabaab doesn't help either, since most countries will take on the "if it can happen somewhere like America, a powerful beacon of democracy and liberty, and hardly a hotbed for terrorism, why can't it happen here" approach, and speculate that it's only a matter of time before the chickens come home to roost. The rest of the world doesn't care if you're a TFG-supporter, ASWJ supporter, Puntlander, Somalilander, etc. If you look Somali, you look like you might be a terrorist and that's something that won't go away any time soon.

Exactly! Millions of Somalis are in the West, and are there because they have nowhere else to go. However now, Somalis everywhere are being targeted like nothing before, denied some jobs, denied entry to countries, scrutinized, harassed, Somalis Islamic charter schools are getting shut down or harassed, xawaalado were shut down from time to time (Causing severe harm to Somalis back home, and Western Xawaalado) etc. I can go on and on. LIke You said primitive Warlords really were confined to the area of their isbaaro control. Their cumalative damage on Somalia is 1000 times more than the warlords. No isbaaro, really thats fantastic but the price for that is backbreaking.


Shirib,

Shabab don't have support of the Somali masses, but with $200.00 paychecks to offer monthly, as well as free food etc. they've been able to attract every youth in the South, who really didn't have much of a future. Also don't get Me wrong, I'm not putting all the blame of Somalia's failure on Shabab, infact far from it. Screw the TFG, Screw the Warlords. I just don't understand people making Shabab out to be some angels, When really there just another armed group in Somalia fighting for power.