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Can Muslim citizens be loyal to a non-Muslim government?

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Hello friends 8-)

My first post, I just wanted to know Can Muslim citizens be loyal to a non-Muslim government? Please provide apart from your opinions, sources from Islamic scholars, koranic verses or prophet saw hadhiths.
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God! You're as dull as a still born baby.
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NO
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in my opinion, yes. Especially if u live in a country of non muslim government. :|
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No one has the right to rob Tesco.....



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Yes, I am very loyal to Australia. A country which has given me a great life, can't complain
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As a citizen you have sworn and oath a promise to your country and you have rights and obligations.
as long as your religion is not undermined and you are free to practice islam, then you should be loyal to your state.

if you feel that you cannot then you should renounce your citizenship and leave..

this is what hijra is for.
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^ Excellent response.
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Top_girl wrote:Hello friends 8-)

My first post, I just wanted to know Can Muslim citizens be loyal to a non-Muslim government? Please provide apart from your opinions, sources from Islamic scholars, koranic verses or prophet saw hadhiths.
Millions of non-Muslims aren't loyal to their non-Muslim government. For example, the American government lied to its citizens about why it invaded and occupies Iraq, actions that led to loss of life in millions, loss of money in $trillions, an incurable recession, loss of millions of jobs, the devalue of the dollar, many states on the brink of collapse as a result budget deficits, not to mention the government bailing out banks and corporations that were complicit in causing the incurable recession while the average citizen struggles to the make the ends meet. If non-Muslim citizens aren't loyal to their own non-Muslim government, I don't see why Muslims have to be loyal to such a government. So, the answer is NO. And you don't need to go further for Koranic verses or hadiths as proof.
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salafi_student wrote:No one has the right to rob Tesco.....



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Did you see that police show where they arrested this West African man for drinking a bottle of water he didnt pay for in Tescos and leaving it half empty on the shelf...so funny! turns out he was an illegal immigrant and he got sent to a detention centre...youd think hed try to lie low if he was an illegal right...so silly..and so shameful..a bottle of water!
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muslim should be loyal person in every where they live and obey the law of the land or leave.
also muslim should be loyal to who ever they dealing with or let them know otherwise.

i live in a muslim country ans citizen of it and most the law here is scular. so what is the differences!!!
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hyperactive wrote:muslim should be loyal person in every where they live and obey the law of the land or leave.
also muslim should be loyal to who ever they dealing with or let them know otherwise.

i live in a muslim country ans citizen of it and most the law here is scular. so what is the differences!!!
If it comes down to proving your loyalty to a non-Muslim government, and you're ordered to deploy to an occupied Muslim country and kill Muslims, will you comply?
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you know what, even here in qatar they assist americans in iraq. that`s why i wont go to jeesh.
even though i have to to: 2 year khidma after university. that time inshallah meel kale ayan iska aadi.
ma qatar inan jooqo rest of my life ma lazim ba!É
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hyperactive wrote:you know what, even here in qatar they assist americans in iraq. that`s why i wont go to jeesh.
even though i have to to: 2 year khidma after university. that time inshallah meel kale ayan iska aadi.
ma qatar inan jooqo rest of my life ma lazim ba!É
The Qatarian government gives you 2 choices to prove your loyalty:

a. You must enlist and train in the army. After your training, you must help Hamid Karzai by fighting the Taliban. There's a chance you survive, or lose your life.

b. Your citizenship is revoked, your assets taken, Western and Middle East countries are notified to not admit you, and you get deported to Somalia.

Choose the wise choice.
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lol i dont have those 2 options.

if i refuse to do the 2 years khidma, i may go to jail for it and be in black list.

many people did that, so in the end you can leave the country if you strongly believe you made the right option.

mesha qasab ma yaalo. only shalay i went to the makhfar inan kafeel ka noqdo this somali who was cough drink and drive.,

his father beged me, i know my father would be upset but i just want to hel poor somali father.
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