Dr Bilal philips

[The_Patriot]

Has joined the list of Zakir Naik i.e not allowed to come to UK
seems like a pattern is growing and I think its the growing influence of the 'Salafis'
1st was to turnish the names of of good scholars and now they have the got great influence from above.

They use sheikh Fowzan and take his words out of context while they spin their dacwa with the 'SUN' tabloid culture.

seems like the propagators of this movement harldy came from institutions of higher learning either secular nor religious just point to me a
a madina/makkah graduate or even a highschool graduate.

All they do is go to SA finish the Ma3had(pre-university) learn abit of Carabi and attend few darsaas from an influential sheikh and head back straight home and start their own circles of learning using videolink and translating to the masses.....its more of catholism especialy when they say whose your sheikh etc I find it very obnoxius.

they think your sheikh is like your persomal tutor in highschool who you hardly saw but would at times pop in to discuss an issue or too.

From my understanding your sheikh should in minimum be one that is tangile( not via vediolink) and who you have viewed observed his character and taught you the religon through different books that are not only Kitabut tawxid or fatxul majid but all other religous books of fiqh and you have been attending the durus from sunrise to sunset for minimum of 5 yrs of your life.

Anyway I would give abit of credit to the 'Salafis' for having rehabilitated the street youths but the youth need to be taught adhaab not given hype and left confused and thinking every mosque is Bidca.

If Bidca is what you see in me/us or him then its of no use cos we are in a sea of Bidca and we do it subconciously and if someone is sticking to one kind of sunaah and terms it important as to judge other peoples in respect to this what about the other bidcas that he still posses which other people dont.

One example is when they classify people voting in the society in a democratic process in the west as being unislamic , in other words preventing the society from integrating funny is the way they allow snitching on the masses and use the Quraan to back it up. Is that not profetiering from the plight of the muslims? i.e in one instance using the religon to make the muslims out of touch with the society in the west( i.e not fighting for their rights or doing any participation that would be significant ) and at the other instance being informants claimming to be protecting the ummah and acting as a good citizen while infact they are the root of alienation.

[Leila25]

It seems every Sheikh wants to travel around and give a lecture. We have too many scholars who are just talking for the sake of talking (kalam fadi) or repeating the same lectures everywhere. Silence is golden sometimes, I for one would like to see scholars get together and open an orphanage, a shelter for the homeless, volunteer to cook or serve a meal to the poor. Sheikhs, Imams or scholars should be active in their local communities.

[Cirwaaq]

yeah when Santa climbs down the chimpney

[AhlulbaytSoldier]

Bilal is doing nothing good except spreading the wahabi virus

[The_Patriot]

Bilal is doing nothing good except spreading the wahabi virus

Allah is Alwahab so is Allah a virus?

[Leila25]

More of kalam fadi, anything that will get Sheikhs to talk less is good in my opinion.

[The_Patriot]

More of kalam fadi, anything that will get Sheikhs to talk less is good in my opinion.

Lelia what are you upto sister?
I still dont get you?
whats up with the egyptian clip?

[Leila25]

I was referring to the culture that has developed where Sheikhs from other continents are travelling across the globe giving lectures, how about less talking and more action. The video is to showing an example of sheikhs that are hogging the limelight like celebs with their nonsense talk of how to enter your wife, whether a 12 year old is fit for sex etc.

[Air Canada]

with their nonsense talk of how to enter your wife, whether a 12 year old is fit for sex etc.

Leila

Do the sheikhs says one must say "bismillah" before he enters his wife? yaa xasuusan karo?

[The_Patriot]

I was referring to the culture that has developed where Sheikhs from other continents are travelling across the globe giving lectures, how about less talking and more action. The video is to showing an example of sheikhs that are hogging the limelight like celebs with their nonsense talk of how to enter your wife, whether a 12 year old is fit for sex etc.

one thing is the sheikhs are usualy invited not the other way round, the other thing is Bilal Philips has done alot especialy in trying to build Islamic schools in India and he is also engaged in Dacwa in Qatar.

traveling is not prohibited in Islam.

[Leila25]

The blame cannot be put on sheikhs only, the people that are into "dial a sheikh" are to blame, can the woman who called not go see her local imam? What does she expect to be told, go and enjoy your threesomes. They are making mockery of the religion.
Dont want to hijack the thread, i dont know enough of Bilal Philips or reasons why he was banned. As for Dr Naik, he talks too much about stuff that appeals to simple minded people with a black and white view of the world (not beneficial). Qaradawi who is also banned has said some nonsense talk on his program.

[*Nobleman*]

Patriot,

I agree partly with what you said. However to claim Salafi brothers (not too keen on different labels myself), are behind the banning of Bilal Philps is incorrect.

After seeing this resurgence of practicing people in and around London, I started to read up and myself realised that 'salafis' are not propagating anything new, but promote a firm understanding and interpretation of the Sunnah of the Prophet Muhammed pbuh.

All this labelling confuses most of us and may Allah swt protect us from the fitnah of these times. But most notable sheikhs for example sheikh Albani said as Ahlul Sunnah we should differentiate ourselves from the people of bidca i.e. shia, sufi etc who also claim ahlul sunnah. So no arguments from me in that regard, as I have no knowledge to even refute this.

Another thing you mentioned about people who claim 'salafi' etc citing everything as bidac and saying a certain mosque is bidca etc is also confusing. But again after reading I realised its usually the uneducated, hasty minority that try and repeat what one sheikh said, but without explaining the resoning behind the accusation, they just say bidca this and bidca that, which comes across as a bit arrogant.

Personally the way I see it is 'salafis' are not bringing anything new and I dont take anything without daleel which is most important.

[The_Patriot]

Patriot,

I agree partly with what you said. However to claim Salafi brothers (not too keen on different labels myself), are behind the banning of Bilal Philps is incorrect.

After seeing this resurgence of practicing people in and around London, I started to read up and myself realised that 'salafis' are not propagating anything new, but promote a firm understanding and interpretation of the Sunnah of the Prophet Muhammed pbuh.

All this labelling confuses most of us and may Allah swt protect us from the fitnah of these times. But most notable sheikhs for example sheikh Albani said as Ahlul Sunnah we should differentiate ourselves from the people of bidca i.e. shia, sufi etc who also claim ahlul sunnah. So no arguments from me in that regard, as I have no knowledge to even refute this.

Another thing you mentioned about people who claim 'salafi' etc citing everything as bidac and saying a certain mosque is bidca etc is also confusing. But again after reading I realised its usually the uneducated, hasty minority that try and repeat what one sheikh said, but without explaining the resoning behind the accusation, they just say bidca this and bidca that, which comes across as a bit arrogant.

Personally the way I see it is 'salafis' are not bringing anything new and I dont take anything without daleel which is most important.

As I said earlier i said that they have good great job in rehabilitating the youth simply because they understand their language .
I also put Salafi in brackets to prevent confusion. Also even thought they like sighting one sheikh mostly Sh Fauzan, I have nothing against the sheikh nor most of the sheikhs from saudi they adore.

The thing is I dont like the hype, Also Islam is not only wearing khamis, and Isbaal or perfume or having a very long beard. Its mostly about the way you behave and influence others.

In other words most of them are reverts and have flaws in them as its takes a very long time to shed of the entire jahilia culture they grew up in especialy living in the west.

You cannot simply tell laymen that sheikh so and so is this after a sarmon.

[*Nobleman*]

True. But Revert or not doesnt really come into play. You could find a revert brother that has great adaab, sincere etc and find a somali fella that does it for the hype etc. But I certainly agree that Islam is beyond your attire and beard (still very important sunnah though).

[The_Patriot]

True. But Revert or not doesnt really come into play. You could find a revert brother that has great adaab, sincere etc and find a somali fella that does it for the hype etc. But I certainly agree that Islam is beyond your attire and beard (still very important sunnah though).

Back in the days when I was hype, I used to see Tablighi in the wrong picture and would avoid mosques and pray only in a few, When I look back I came to see that Islam is a nicma and at times would see some guys even though they practised a bidca in one area they beat me or excelled in other areas.

Hence the thing is I dont like the way they try to alienate good sheikhs like Bilal philips and others cos of envy, I mean how can you ask a mufti a question out of context to get a fatwa against same shuyukhs that are doing wonderful jobs?