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While Somalia is burning, Puntland is selling the Oil

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An undisclosed "Muslim nation" is funding a 1,000-strong, privately trained military force in northern Somalia and has hired a former CIA officer and a senior official from the Bush administration to advise the Somali government on security matters, according to a report.

The Associated Press said the "anti-piracy" force was receiving instruction in Puntland, a semi-autonomous region on the tip of Africa's horn that oil and gas exploration firms are interested in.

A separate force will be trained in the capital, Mogadishu, the news agency said, citing sources involved in the programme, which has reportedly cost many millions of dollars. A large convoy of pick-up trucks, small aircraft and armoured vehicles will support the troops.

The motivation of the donor country remains unknown, and UN experts have confirmed they are investigating whether there has been a violation of Somalia's arms embargo. The country has not had a functioning government since 1991, and Islamists who claim allegiance to al-Qaida are trying to gain overall control.

AP said the same country funding the security forces had hired Pierre Prosper, who was an ambassador at large for war crimes issues under George Bush from 2001-05, to advise the Somali government on legal issues related to security, anti-corruption and transparency. Prosper, who was also the diplomat responsible for engaging with countries whose citizens were held at Guantánamo Bay after the September 11 attacks, said he was being paid to do the job by "a Muslim nation", which he declined to name.

Fellow American Michael Shanklin, the CIA deputy chief of station in Mogadishu 20 years ago, told AP he was employed by the same country as "a security adviser and liaison to the Somali government".

The involvement of the two men is likely to be viewed with deep suspicion in Somalia, and is likely to be used by the Islamists for propaganda. Many Somalis are mistrustful of foreign meddling, and were angered by the US's decision to give money to a group of warlords in Mogadishu in 2006 then back the Ethiopian invasion a few months later.

AP named the private security company involved in training the troops as Saracen International, a Uganda-based firm headed by a South African former special forces soldier called Bill Pelser. In a November statement the Puntland government said Saracen had been hired to establish its "marine forces", while documents from the Somali presidency this year suggested the company had been hired to train the presidential guard in Mogadishu.

But in a phone interview, Pelser told the Guardian claims of his company's involvement were "bullshit", and said he would take legal action against the media. "I have already given a statement to the UN security council on this. None of my assets are involved in Somalia. It must be another company called Saracen," he said.

Puntland is more stable than the rest of Somalia, but the creation of an "anti-piracy" force will raise questions. Senior members of the current administration are believed to have close links to some pirate groups, who have raked in millions in ransoms for foreign ships. Previous efforts to train a local navy have seen recruits "go off and become elite pirates themselves", according to a Somalia analyst in Nairobi, who asked not to be named.

Mohamed Farole, the son of Puntland president Abdirahman Mohamed Farole and a powerful figure in his own right, said the first 150 graduates completed a 13-week training course this week. He told AP they would be used to hunt pirates in the Galgala mountains. However, that area is not known as a major piracy hotspot. The main pirate bases fall outside Puntland.

But Galgala is the territory of a well-known weapons dealer and militia leader called Mohamed Said Atom. Accused of supplying arms to Somalia's main Islamist insurgent group al-Shabab, Atom has clashed with Puntland's administration before and complained about being excluded from energy exploration deals.


Somebody need to stop the elite of Puntland. No oil drillign or energy exploration should be allowed until the institutions and peace has been achived in Somalia. Why the fu*** is puntland acting this way?

Wallahi they will sell the oil for cheap prices and the money wont go to the people. :down: :down: What does puntland know about Oil business and fair exploration deals!? :down: :down:
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Re: While Somalia is burning, Puntland is selling the Oil

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You are a fool my friend if you think a bunch of pirates equal a government. :lol: :lol:
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GENERAL_SNM wrote:You are a fool my friend if you think a bunch of pirates equal a government. :lol: :lol:
Pirates or not, they are granting oil and energy exploration deals to anyone that they can find. This is the concern of all Somalia, puntland is alleged to have the most oil in all of the East africa. Sudan is nothing compared to puntlands oil. I wouldnt care if the Puntland adminstration were smart people and had expertise on this issue. But they dont. I see chaos and "nigeria style" Oil corruption coming at worst.
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Coeus wrote:
GENERAL_SNM wrote:You are a fool my friend if you think a bunch of pirates equal a government. :lol: :lol:
Pirates or not, they are granting oil and energy exploration deals to anyone that they can find. This is the concern of all Somalia, puntland is alleged to have the most oil in all of the East africa. Sudan is nothing compared to puntlands oil. I wouldnt care if the Puntland adminstration were smart people and had expertise on this issue. But they dont. I see chaos and "nigeria style" Oil corruption coming at worst.
I think your stretching the truth or have been reading too much of Monkey boy Paids wishfull posts on this forum. If the Pirate state had oil they would have been running ahead of us in declaring Succesion, instead of screaming at the TFG to be fed the crumps. I dont believe a substantial amount of oil exists in Somali as a whole, if it did the west world have been in like lightning. As is the case with Iraq or southern Sudan. The Pirates are selling empty real estate with nothing but desert.

Desert+Sun=Oil is not the way it works.. :mrgreen:
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GENERAL_SNM wrote:
Coeus wrote:
GENERAL_SNM wrote:You are a fool my friend if you think a bunch of pirates equal a government. :lol: :lol:
Pirates or not, they are granting oil and energy exploration deals to anyone that they can find. This is the concern of all Somalia, puntland is alleged to have the most oil in all of the East africa. Sudan is nothing compared to puntlands oil. I wouldnt care if the Puntland adminstration were smart people and had expertise on this issue. But they dont. I see chaos and "nigeria style" Oil corruption coming at worst.
I think your stretching the truth or have been reading too much of Monkey boy Paids wishfull posts on this forum. If the Pirate state had oil they would have been running ahead of us in declaring Succesion, instead of screaming at the TFG to be fed the crumps. I dont believe a substantial amount of oil exists in Somali as a whole, if it did the west world have been in like lightning. As is the case with Iraq or southern Sudan. The Pirates are selling empty real estate with nothing but desert.

Desert+Sun=Oil is not the way it works.. :mrgreen:
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Generally Puntland is very progressive mashallah, and it could even do a lot better if it was in the right hands. This so called Oil deal is not necessarily something good.
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Coeus wrote:
Somebody need to stop the elite of Puntland. No oil drillign or energy exploration should be allowed until the institutions and peace has been achived in Somalia. Why the fu*** is puntland acting this way?

Wallahi they will sell the oil for cheap prices and the money wont go to the people. :down: :down: What does puntland know about Oil business and fair exploration deals!? :down: :down:
LOL what does Sh Badow shariif know about Oil business or PM Jalaato for that matter. The day oild drilling begins is the day we'll say 'goodbye Somalia' :lol:
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SNM...there is proof that Oil lies in Puntland :|

This is pictures from the company named "African oil" they did oil explorations last month ad they found oil.

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Heres the article from Financial times, that clearly states that Puntlands holds 5-10 Billion barrels of Oil.

The data collected by oil companies has formed the basis of interest in Somalia today. Range Resources, an oil group listed in Sydney, estimates that the Puntland province – which includes the Mudug region – has the potential to yield 5bn-10bn barrels of oil.



SOURCE: http://www.ft.com/cms/s/2/20a8a430-3167 ... z16zcHfBbA

So my concern is not a exaggeration. The day Somalia is unstable and Oil is found is the day the problem goes to a whole new leavel. :down:
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abdalla11 wrote:
Coeus wrote:
Somebody need to stop the elite of Puntland. No oil drillign or energy exploration should be allowed until the institutions and peace has been achived in Somalia. Why the fu*** is puntland acting this way?

Wallahi they will sell the oil for cheap prices and the money wont go to the people. :down: :down: What does puntland know about Oil business and fair exploration deals!? :down: :down:
LOL what does Sh Badow shariif know about Oil business or PM Jalaato for that matter. The day oild drilling begins is the day we'll say 'goodbye Somalia' :lol:
Why do you have to make this a territorial thing? I am all for that the people of Puntland to enjoy their Oil wealth. But that will not likely happen because there will be corruption in a large scale. And violence certainly. Because even today Puntland is not as safe as Somaliland. It is very important to just not rush ahead of everything and start drilling and expecting oil money to fill your pockets. Nigeria is having the exact same problem, puntland will likely have if they just start to sell exploration deals. Do you not agree when i say that Resources shouldnt be touched until all of Somalia experiences peace and good governance?
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Coeus wrote:SNM...there is proof that Oil lies in Puntland :|

This is pictures from the company named "African oil" they did oil explorations last month ad they found oil.

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Heres the article from Financial times, that clearly states that Puntlands holds 5-10 Billion barrels of Oil.

The data collected by oil companies has formed the basis of interest in Somalia today. Range Resources, an oil group listed in Sydney, estimates that the Puntland province – which includes the Mudug region – has the potential to yield 5bn-10bn barrels of oil.



SOURCE: http://www.ft.com/cms/s/2/20a8a430-3167 ... z16zcHfBbA

So my concern is not a exaggeration. The day Somalia is unstable and Oil is found is the day the problem goes to a whole new leavel. :down:
The oil belongs to Puntland so why should you care if you not a citizen from Puntland. :?
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Re: While Somalia is burning, Puntland is selling the Oil

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Coeus wrote:
abdalla11 wrote:
Coeus wrote:
Somebody need to stop the elite of Puntland. No oil drillign or energy exploration should be allowed until the institutions and peace has been achived in Somalia. Why the fu*** is puntland acting this way?

Wallahi they will sell the oil for cheap prices and the money wont go to the people. :down: :down: What does puntland know about Oil business and fair exploration deals!? :down: :down:
LOL what does Sh Badow shariif know about Oil business or PM Jalaato for that matter. The day oild drilling begins is the day we'll say 'goodbye Somalia' :lol:
Why do you have to make this a territorial thing? I am all for that the people of Puntland to enjoy their Oil wealth. But that will not likely happen because there will be corruption in a large scale. And violence certainly. Because even today Puntland is not as safe as Somaliland. It is very important to just not rush ahead of everything and start drilling and expecting oil money to fill your pockets. Nigeria is having the exact same problem, puntland will likely have is the just start to sell exploration deals. Do you not agree when i say that Resources shouldnt be touched until all of Somalia experiences peace and good governance?
What the hell are you taking about? The question is not about if i am a citizen of Puntland. The question is, is puntland ready to drill oil? No they are not. Rampant piracy, assasination by Al Shabab. Oil rigs can explode and kill 100 people if they are damaged by bullets. Plus billions of barrels of OIl is ALOT. And puntland dont have the expertise to deal with such huge commercial Oil. They should not rush ahead and give a contract to the first foreigner they see. :down:
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Coeus wrote:Wallahi they will sell the oil for cheap prices and the money wont go to the people. :down: :down: What does puntland know about Oil business and fair exploration deals!? :down: :down:
Just the drilling alone is expected to generate some badly needed employment for the locals... as for your silly statement, hate it or love it but Puntland's destiny is already decided.
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I love how G-SNM is crying right now, the little bugger can't hold it together, he's going to fall apart soon, guys cut it out with the Puntland updates. :mrgreen:
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I think if Puntland wants to seccede it has more of a chance than Somaliland but they are clinging on to xamar.
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I am not being territorial just being realistic. I oppose Farole's obsession with Xamar, i think he should focus on Puntland and its affairs, just like the Founder of the State, Abdullahi Yusuf, use to do. Taking distance from Xamar is good thing, don't think Puntland is betraying the Somali flag, a flag created by a Puntlander :up:

You cant compare Nigeria and Puntland, Nigeria is a country with 150 milion inhabitants while Puntland has less than 3 million as for the pirates, that's a minor thing walle.
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