What Hadrat Ali(RH) advice on women

[grandpakhalif]

On his last will in advise to his son Hassan(RH) Hadrat ALI(RH) advised him

Do not seek the advice of women, their verdicts are often immature and incorrect and their determinations are not firm. You must guard and defend them and act as a shelter to protect them from impious and injurious surroundings and infamous sights, this kind of shelter will keep them well-protected from every harm. Their contact with a vicious and sinful atmosphere (even with all the shelter that you can provide) is going to prove more harmful than being left with protection. Do not let them interfere with affairs where you cannot personally guide or protect them. Do not let them aspire for things which are beyond their capacities. They are more like decoration to humanity and are not made to rule and govern humanity. Exhibit reasonable interest in things which they desire and give importance to them, but do not let them influence your opinions and do not let them impel you to go against your sane views.
Do not force them into marriages which they abhor or which they consider below their dignity because there is danger of thus converting honourable and virtuous women into shameless and dishonourable beings.
Divide and distribute work among your servants so that you can hold each one responsible for the work entrusted to them. This is a better and smoother way of carrying on a work than each one of them throwing the responsibility of every bit of work on somebody else.
Treat the members of your family with love and respect because they act as wings with which you fly and as hands which support you and fight for you. They are people towards whom you turn when you are in trouble and in need.
My dear son! After having given these pieces of advice to you I entrust you to the Lord. He will help, guide and protect you in this world and the Hereafter. I beseech Him to take you under His protection in both the worlds.


Mashallah we should follow this great man's advise one of the best sahabis and caliph
http://www.nahjulbalagha.org/LetterDetail.php?Letter=31

[Navy9]

May Allah's curse be upon those who have killed:


Omar ibn al khattab ra
Othman ibn Affan ra
Ali ibn Abi Talib ra

[BlackVelvet]

"Do not seek the advice of women, their verdicts are often immature and incorrect and their determinations are not firm."
"They are decorations to humanity and are not made to rule and govern humanity."
"Do not let them interfere with affairs where you cannot personally guide or protect them."

And that will make every female Muslim proud to call herself a female Muslim.

Do not let them influence your opinions and do not let them (the misoginists in this case) impel you to go against your sane views. - Now this is the kind of advice one should keep constantly before them

[KingMJ]

This was taken out of context, its about asking advice for large business decisions such as high-end political ones or financial ones. Not all matters

[Navy9]

BV,

I do not know if this speech is accurate or not, but lets assume it is accurate: first,when translations are made from arabic to english, some of the true meanings of the arabic language are lost in translation (given he who is doing the translation is genuine and has no any altra motives); secondly, given the above piece is right, I would assume it was said sometime after 656 AD (please read the historical background of battle of the Camel), thirdly, this is to the poster, why are you quoting from Shia websites, are the Sunni ones not good enough ?

[BlackVelvet]

Navy, Grandpa probably posted this just to get a reaction so any source would have done.

I understand the probable historical context and how this could have been misinterpreted or taken out of context. To be honest I pay it very little mind, if Islam taught to think little of women, well it wouldn't make a lot of sense to be a Muslim woman would it?

[Navy9]

if Islam taught to think little of women, well it wouldn't make a lot of sense to be a Muslim woman would it?

But Islam never taught to down grade women and to belittle them; however, some muslims of weak Iman go after their worldly lusts.

[BlackVelvet]

But Islam never taught to down grade women and to belittle them; however, some muslims of weak Iman go after their worldly lusts.

My point exactly. We all have our set limits and it is important not to ignore them in favour of "worldly lusts" as you put it. Nevertheless when Muslim men try to use Islam to belittle women well then I believe that they should just hurry along and go to hell.

[grandpakhalif]

BV this advice is from the great Sahabi and his words are truthful, whether you like it or not. I AGREE 100% with Hadrat Ali RH God bless him

[Navy9]

BV this advice is from the great Sahabi and his words are truthful, whether you like it or not. I AGREE 100% with Hadrat Ali RH God bless him

Walaal, provide an authentic source approved by our Ulama which gives an account of this advice? Please do not provide any of the of 12ers sources, thank you.

[SultanOrder]

BV this advice is from the great Sahabi and his words are truthful, whether you like it or not. I AGREE 100% with Hadrat Ali RH God bless him

Kibirbadnidaa, you should doubt your understanding of what is trying to be said more. Because of your lack of understanding and knowledge that is compounded by a series of factors, it could be that you are agreeing to an understanding that is incorrect.

Not only is this a translation, not only is this meant for a certain person who was dealing with the matters of politics, leadership, and head of a whole branch, not only are you a teenager, not only are you living 1400 years later, not only can the this be doubted to be authentic, and not only is your knowledge limited and the fact that it was not meant for you... man I would just stay away from things you have little understanding before you do injustice to yourself man.

[grandpakhalif]

BV this advice is from the great Sahabi and his words are truthful, whether you like it or not. I AGREE 100% with Hadrat Ali RH God bless him

Walaal, provide an authentic source approved by our Ulama which gives an account of this advice? Please do not provide any of the of 12ers sources, thank you.

Source is Nahj al Balagah a famous collection of Al, commentary by Imam Muhammed Abduh, the late head of the Al Azhar,

[grandpakhalif]

PO, how do you know whether Kibir is in a heart of someone, im sharing Hadrat Ali advice, stop being sensitive

[Navy9]

who authored Nahj Al Balaqa?

[SultanOrder]

PO, how do you know whether Kibir is in a heart of someone, im sharing Hadrat Ali advice, stop being sensitive

Your statement came off as arrogant, and so did this one by the way. And what I mean is assuming the right is an arrogant thing to do bro.