The Trial of Saddaam...

Mowhawk · Post by **Mowhawk** » Thu Aug 25, 2005 3:00 am

I doubt there will be someone here who is an expert in Islamic jurisprudence. Allahu Yaclam. But we are all judgemental Somalinetters here, but in my humble opinion if he was tried by an iraqi court providing that four just witnesses can be found to attest to his crimes, and evidence is shown, then he could be convicted. As far as what crime he has committed, it could range from ordering the assassination of people, killing innocent people, or killing people with his own hands. he has certainly warred against Islam and caused mischief. All can be punishable by death according to the shariah, here is a verse from the Qur'an that may be relevant.

"[5.33] The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His apostle and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement, [5.34] Except those who repent before you have them in your power; so know that Allah is Forgiving, Merciful."

I'm of that opinion, what do you think?

Steeler [Crawler2] · Post by **Steeler [Crawler2]** » Thu Aug 25, 2005 3:08 am

Hang 'em high

Mowhawk · Post by **Mowhawk** » Thu Aug 25, 2005 3:33 am

Agree witj you Mad, and you should not be hypocritical to consider GWB as a lamb. GWB has surpassed Saddaam's crimes and killed more Iraqi's in 2 years than Sadaam has managed for 20 years. Let us chose a nuetral territory and hang both of them by guilatine in France. Laughing

Hey, at least GWB and co. deserve to face the ICC for war crimes. Do you agree, or as always you being a Yankee fundamentalist, you will like to apply the rules selectively?

Steeler [Crawler2] · Post by **Steeler [Crawler2]** » Thu Aug 25, 2005 3:39 am

Warfare between states is not a crime I'm afraid. Especially when you have congressional authorization. Sorry Charlie. You are comparing apples and oranges. GWB is not evil. I think he made a mistake in the war, but I do not concur that they are moral equivelents or that he is inherently an evil man.

Cadeey · Post by **Cadeey** » Thu Aug 25, 2005 3:52 am

Mowhawk---Saddam is a poor old man what are you possibly going to achieve by sentencing him to death? bring back all the innocent lives?

However your uncle Abdulahi Yusuf should be hanged and you can be the next majeerteen warlord! Hopefully a better looking one than your uncle Laughing

Steeler [Crawler2] · Post by **Steeler [Crawler2]** » Thu Aug 25, 2005 3:53 am

Hanging Saddam would be a good example to other would be Middle Eastern Tyrants.

Mowhawk · Post by **Mowhawk** » Thu Aug 25, 2005 4:14 am

Caddeey

Naayaa uff hang him and the lot and join yourself in the group hanging like the Japense mob whom committed group suicide on the net. Laughing

I'm my fathers child and he is his father child....the list goes on....why will I care the injustices of a stranger? My qabiil is Aussie.

[quote="MAD MAC"]Warfare between states is not a crime I'm afraid. Especially when you have congressional authorization. Sorry Charlie. You are comparing apples and oranges. GWB is not evil. I think he made a mistake in the war, but I do not concur that they are moral equivelents or that he is inherently an evil man.[/quote]

Mad

Where will start? Let us start with these;

A Report on United States War Crimes Against Iraq to the Commission of Inquiry for the International War Crimes Tribunal.

http://deoxy.org/wc/wc-index.htm

Evidence File of U.S. War Crimes

http://www.robert-fisk.com/iraqwarvictims_page1.htm

US Lawyers Warn Bush on War Crimes

http://www.apfn.net/messageboard/11-20- ... cgi.4.html

US media covers up American war crimes in Iraq

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2004/sep20 ... -s15.shtml

IRAQ: Covering up US war crimes

http://www.greenleft.org.au/back/2004/608/608p28.htm

Cadeey · Post by **Cadeey** » Thu Aug 25, 2005 4:22 am

Mowhawk---I am far too beautiful to be hanged! Laughing

Aussie is your qabil? War dee maxaad sheegi? Last time I checked John Howard was planning to send ASIO to every masjid could that mean you be trailed and hanged by your own so called qabil the Aussies? How marvolous! One less majeerteen face Laughing

Mowhawk · Post by **Mowhawk** » Thu Aug 25, 2005 4:36 am

[quote="Cadeey"]Mowhawk---I am far too beautiful to be hanged! Laughing

Aussie is your qabil? War dee maxaad sheegi? Last time I checked John Howard was planning to send ASIO to every masjid could that mean you be trailed and hanged by your own so called qabil the Aussies? How marvolous! One less majeerteen face Laughing

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Cadeey, I'm against the death penalty in Australia and in every other nation-state on this planet. Killing one innocent person is one too many.

What is "dee"? It, he, you, agree, etc., what is that word? Laughing

Qabiil

"What have you done lately for me?" Laughing

Nothing and never, and now that it divides and condemns many Somalis to an unbelievable misery and death, I chose proudly Aussie to be my qabiil. I judge Somali people not on their membership of a certain tribe, but by their character, and that is why I'm an Aussie-Somali. Laughing

Kamal35 · Post by **Kamal35** » Thu Aug 25, 2005 4:42 am

I'm with Mowhawk here: GWB got the Congress green-light because he first lied to the Congress with those false reports about the weapons of massive destruction. If you start a war based of false facts, you're responsible of war crimes.

Mowhawk · Post by **Mowhawk** » Thu Aug 25, 2005 4:57 am

Well said Kamal, and how are you these days? Evidences are stalked against GWB and co., but hey Kamal, the victors always wrote the rules. The Germans and Japanese cabinet members and military hierarchy went through the Nurmeberg and Toky trials respectively for the same atrocities like the Yankees committed in Iraq. Fok International Law and the multilateral conventions in regards to war, that is for the ilk of GWB and Mad Mac, they believe that might is right, because when it comes to Americans like them, it is their God-given right according to their philosphy of Manifest Destiny.

Kamal, what do you think of Chavez---will he be assasinated, or overthrown? Offcourse by the Venezuelan people (to be told that by an American network like Fox, and to be dubbed as not, the blue, green, yellow but the Rainbow revolution, a coalition of workers, landowners {3% own 90% of Venezuella's land}, the tiny minority business elite and the peasants)? And we will buy it. Laughing

Kamal35 · Post by **Kamal35** » Thu Aug 25, 2005 5:09 am

Hey, Mowhawk. About your point, there's not doubt the the winners of a war are the ones who impose the laws for a trial. Doubtless here, Hitler and his alikes deserved to be killed, but also Truman with the second Atomic bomb on Nagasaki: there was not use in throwing a second atomic bomb against a city. I can't say that USA hadn't the right to use a first atomic bomb on Hiroshima in order to stop the war or to show the mighty power. But the second on Hiroshima...

I'm fine here. I'm in Portugal on my holidays. Nice place here, and we have a cyber-cafe in the hotel, so it's nice. Beach, god sun, swimming pool and a nice and beautiful girl with me. I can't complain at all.

About the Chavez: He'll probably be killed. But the situation is more complicated than that. I have a friend living in Venezuela and he says that there's a pre-civil war status there right now. There's not a peaciful situation, or you are with Chavez and love him, or you against Chavez and hate him. All Venezolans are like this. He told me that there are killings in a bar after a discussion and things like that. The tension is growing with the days. I suppose there's American money involved in that, but Chavez himself allow this situation to happen. I'm really sorry for Venezuela, because it's a very rich and nice country, but there's also a great class-difference: or you're really rich there or you are really poor.

I thinks it's gonna be very complicated. And with Bush in Washington, it will be even worse.

Mowhawk · Post by **Mowhawk** » Thu Aug 25, 2005 5:30 am

Kamal

Saaxib enjoy your holidays, I've never been to Portugal and maybe one day, I will visit there with my Portugese friends here (Angolans and Portugese).

"I'm really sorry for Venezuela, because it's a very rich and nice country, but there's also a great class-difference: or you're really rich there or you are really poor."

Kamal, you are drawing an equal parity here by the amount of those who are poor (pro Chavez), and the tiny powerful minority that oppose him. He is a democratically elected president by the Venezuelan people, and either we accept that democracy takes its course, or we ought to have an American acceptable regime. They are behind all the fuss in Venezuela. We all know what happened when they organised the failed coup attempt against Chavez? GWB is an idiot, Chavez and Venezuelans may had a better relationship with Clintonesque kind of the Democtrat's admin.

Steeler [Crawler2] · Post by **Steeler [Crawler2]** » Thu Aug 25, 2005 6:23 am

Again I disagree. If GWB has sent out official messages saying "all suspected militants are to be tortured killed" or something like that, fine. But the war itself is not a war crime. A lot of people like to twist the rules around (including people in the media) to suit them and claim things are crimes when they are not.

guledy · Post by **guledy** » Thu Aug 25, 2005 7:22 am

Saddam should pay the ultimate price for the crimes he commited not only against his people but against his neighbours,the iranians and the kuwaitis.To the majority of iragis the lies told by bush are almost nothing in comparison to what saddam had put them through and am sure the iragis would overlook bush's lies in the long run.Whether the hanging of saddam would make any difference to the other despots of the middle east is debatable.