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mingistu has said: leading the millions of different ethiopian nationalities is easier to leading with a handful of somalis.
firstly, there was nothing wrong with the somali apposition backed by ethiopia cauze as barre supported the ethiopian libration fronts, mingistu equally supported the somali armed fronts. nothing was wrong with SNM,SSDF,USC in their initial stages fighting againist dictatorial regime. the question is how ethiopia was saved? i would like to discus a few dimensions of this issue.

Ethiopians are hard workers who have lived as peasants for thousands of years. While Somali are lazy nomads who had nothing to lose.

Simple answer: the people who live between South Mudug and Xamar are absent from the Ethiopian heartland.

It's not rocket science. Somalia's dawlad was not crushed by random factors of philosophy or ideology, it was crushed by a group of people sharing similar ancestry, now do the math.

USC were doqomiin, they had no damn plan other than lets get rid of Siyaad, imbecils couldn't even decide who their damn leader was

Well of course it's easier to lead millions of Ethiopians rather than few Somalis, because Somalis are not sheep. Whenever Somalis detect the slightest hint of deception from a leader, the leader pays for it dearly, because in Somalia people aren't afraid of the government, the government is afraid of the people.

shaab_ wrote:Ethiopians are hard workers who have lived as peasants for thousands of years. While Somali are lazy nomads who had nothing to lose.

to add to that Ethiopians are peaceful people and obediant to their leader.

if a Muslim was to take over the country I'd gladly move there and take advantage of the 80 million strong market.

sahal80 wrote:the question is how ethiopia was saved?

The West didn't want Ethiopia to collapse, just like Kenya a few years ago where thousands were bludgeoned to death with machetes in a few days. Western intervention saved both.

AgentOfChaos wrote:Well of course it's easier to lead millions of Ethiopians rather than few Somalis, because Somalis are not sheep. Whenever Somalis detect the slightest hint of deception from a leader, the leader pays for it dearly, because in Somalia people aren't afraid of the government, the government is afraid of the people.

That's a bullshit excuse. South Sudanese do not know leadership, but Somalis are modernized people who can easily learn to obey a leader and have done so before. The truth is as simple as shit -> one rebel group took everything but could not manage it for its own life, and everything went to shit after that.

If a civilization falls apart, do you blame their ideology or the tangible factors that destroyed it? If a cancer hits the nucleus of a unit, the body will die if the head is destroyed.

Monk-of-Mogadishu wrote:

AgentOfChaos wrote:Well of course it's easier to lead millions of Ethiopians rather than few Somalis, because Somalis are not sheep. Whenever Somalis detect the slightest hint of deception from a leader, the leader pays for it dearly, because in Somalia people aren't afraid of the government, the government is afraid of the people.

That's a bullshit excuse. South Sudanese do not know leadership, but Somalis are modernized people who can easily learn to obey a leader and have done so before. The truth is as simple as shit -> one rebel group took everything but could not manage it for its own life, and everything went to shit after that.

If a civilization falls apart, do you blame their ideology or the tangible factors that destroyed it? If a cancer hits the nucleus of a unit, the body will die if the head is destroyed.

I'm pretty sure being modernized and saying SHIT every other word just doesn't work that well together. As for "obeying the leader", there are many reason why people obey the leader, fear and brainwashing is one of them. When a nation or civilization loses it's civic virtue it falls, now we can all look to the past and argue as to what led to that demise, or we can focus on the present and build our nation. It's your call.

Actually somalis are sheep, since they follow clan agendas regardless of it being right, wrong or even benefitial to him/her.

The reason Somalia is a shithole today is because somalis are head-strong and lack fore-sight. The idea of having a contingency plan hasn't quite made it yet to Somalia - or for that matter, any sort of plan at all.

Shirib wrote:USC were doqomiin, they had no damn plan other than lets get rid of Siyaad, imbecils couldn't even decide who their damn leader was

It ain't like the USC could just decide what happened next. You had 115 different fractions of little qabiil driven motherfockers that would not work together. A leader is replaced but why the fock did the whole nation have to go with the leader? Their thirst for power was so keen that it was ultimately what led to their disagreements.

eliteSomali wrote:

Shirib wrote:USC were doqomiin, they had no damn plan other than lets get rid of Siyaad, imbecils couldn't even decide who their damn leader was

It ain't like the USC could just decide what happened next. You had 115 different fractions of little qabiil driven motherfockers that would not work together. A leader is replaced but why the fock did the whole nation have to go with the leader? Their thirst for power was so keen that it was ultimately what led to their disagreements.

If USC had a clear path the civil war would of ended. The break of USC into Ali Mahdi vs. Aideed is what destroyed Somalia. If USC would taken over and announced a unilateral government, majority of Somali's would have been accepting. But they ended up breaking up and massacring each other.

thats because most of them were thieves and cut throats.

Shirib wrote:

eliteSomali wrote:

Shirib wrote:USC were doqomiin, they had no damn plan other than lets get rid of Siyaad, imbecils couldn't even decide who their damn leader was

It ain't like the USC could just decide what happened next. You had 115 different fractions of little qabiil driven motherfockers that would not work together. A leader is replaced but why the fock did the whole nation have to go with the leader? Their thirst for power was so keen that it was ultimately what led to their disagreements.

If USC had a clear path the civil war would of ended. The break of USC into Ali Mahdi vs. Aideed is what destroyed Somalia. If USC would taken over and announced a unilateral government, majority of Somali's would have been accepting. But they ended up breaking up and massacring each other.

I disagree USC were undermined by former Siad bare loyalists and other selfish politicians calling themselves the Manifesto when USC captured Mogadishu siad bare attempted to recapture the city again the constant of war cannot be blamed on the USC or any other rebel group. the Ethiopians and Eritreans were different the EPLF and TPLF marched together to addis ababa and ousted Mengistu haile maryam and the derg regime the TPLF wanted to secession at first but were encouraged by the west and the state department and became the ruling Ethiopian party with the help of the EPLF the Eritrean liberation front. USC captured Mogadishu while the SPM was fighting in the Juba regions and the moment USC wanted to fill the Vacuum other selfish and clan warlords calling themselves the Manifesto tried to interrupt the political process of the United Somali congress and the vision of general caydiid and Cali wardhiglay allah ha u naxariisto.