Syria shoots down Turkish fighter plane

[blackstars25]

ok folks....shit is getting serious.

The F-4 Phantom disappeared over the Mediterranean, south-west of Hatay province, not far from Syria's coast.

PM Recep Tayyip Erdogan said initially that "the other side have expressed regret" but later was unable to confirm what had happened.

After an emergency security meeting, his office said it was understood that Syria had brought the plane down.

In a statement, it said a search for the two crew members was under way involving Turkish and Syrian coast guard ships. Once all the circumstances were established, it added that Turkey would respond decisively.

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Analysis


Jonathan Head
BBC News, Istanbul
Given the breakdown in relations between the two countries over the Syrian conflict, this incident has the potential to provoke a serious crisis. When gunfire from Syrian forces crossed the Turkish border earlier this year, Ankara threatened a military response.

Much will depend on whether or not the Turkish pilots have survived. If not, public anger might push the government into some kind of punitive action against Syria.

Syria's response will also influence Turkey's reaction. A clear apology, and a statement that the shooting was unintentional, might be enough to assuage Turkish anger.

But then again, we do not know yet whether the aircraft were clearly in Turkish airspace or not. Initial Turkish reports that they came down eight miles from Syrian territorial waters suggests that they were, but Syria may claim otherwise.

"Regarding our pilots, we do not have any information, but at the moment four of our gunboats and some Syrian gunboats are carrying out a joint search there," Mr Erdogan told reporters earlier on Friday evening.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-18554246

I go for Syria. Turkey is overplaying its hand.

[Substance]

Yeah Turkey is trying to hard to destabilze Syria, and Syria have all the right to defend their airspace from foreign planes.
I dont think this will devolop into major thing. Syria will just apologies then its over.

[udun]

Narrated Mu'adh ibn Jabal:

The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: The greatest war, the conquest of Constantinople and the coming forth of the Dajjal (Antichrist) will take place within a period of seven months.

Narrated Abdullah ibn Busr:

The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: The time between the great war and the conquest of the city (Constantinople) will be six years, and the Dajjal (Antichrist) will come forth in the seventh.

The conquest of Constantinople will happen during the time of Al-Mahdi. Indeed that time is getting much closer than we all think.

[XaliimoFarax]

Narrated Mu'adh ibn Jabal:

The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: The greatest war, the conquest of Constantinople and the coming forth of the Dajjal (Antichrist) will take place within a period of seven months.

Narrated Abdullah ibn Busr:

The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: The time between the great war and the conquest of the city (Constantinople) will be six years, and the Dajjal (Antichrist) will come forth in the seventh.

The conquest of Constantinople will happen during the time of Al-Mahdi. Indeed that time is getting much closer than we all think.

Didnt the conquest of constantinople already happen by Sultan Mehmed II?

[udun]

Narrated Mu'adh ibn Jabal:

The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: The greatest war, the conquest of Constantinople and the coming forth of the Dajjal (Antichrist) will take place within a period of seven months.

Narrated Abdullah ibn Busr:

The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: The time between the great war and the conquest of the city (Constantinople) will be six years, and the Dajjal (Antichrist) will come forth in the seventh.

The conquest of Constantinople will happen during the time of Al-Mahdi. Indeed that time is getting much closer than we all think.

Didnt the conquest of constantinople already happen by Sultan Mehmed II?

Did you see Dajjal appearing at that time? The conquest of Constantinople by Mehmet II Fatih in 1453 A.D is not the one mentioned in the hadiths. It is coming. You should also try to see the situation of Turkey and where that country fits today in the calamity imposed on the Muslim world. A simple review of that country's system can tell you if a Muslim woman wearing a Hijab comes to a university, she is being booed by the so-called protectors of what is called "secularism."

[Arabmann]

It is coming.

You claimed in another topic the dajjal already come. What's with the contradiction?

[udun]

It is coming.

You claimed in another topic the dajjal already come. What's with the contradiction?

I have never said that. Bring a proof including the thread!

There is a system that will produce Dajjal and that is very much prevalent ,including your Wahabbist-run Al-Qaeda death squads and backstabbers of the Muslims, but I challenge you to bring the proof of your claim?

[Arabmann]

I have never said that. Bring a proof including the thread!

Proof:

viewtopic.php?f=18&t=293728

[udun]

This is what I have stated:

From my understanding, the Freemasons are waiting for these two events:

1. The establishment of what they call "Temple Mount" in Jerusalem.
2. The return of their religious/spritual leader who is one-eyed.

On the first point, it is basically what the zionists call Solomon Temple.
On the second point, the zionists are also waiting for what they call a messiah.

So, if you look at the beliefs of these groups, one can easily conclude that they are either the same, or one group is backing the other behind the scene. To conclude, no Muslim should have any illusions about the Era we are living in.

Arabman, bring the proof; you haven't done it yet. That thread is about the system that will produce Dajjal, and not Dajjal himself. Both groups mentioned in that thread are waiting for that messiah and the building of Solomon Temple.

Nice try to deflect the topic. I am still waiting for the proof. That challenge is still standing.

[Arabmann]

I am still waiting for the proof.

The title "DAJJAL IS HERE" and content are pretty self-incriminating. So is a recent comment:

Truth is, the Sunnis led by Wahabbists and Muslim brotherhood are either being dubbed or willing implementors of Dajjal's plan.

viewtopic.php?f=18&t=308559&p=3702758&hilit=dajjal

[udun]

^There is nothing really self-incrimining that you have posted here. "DAJJAL IS HERE" is a topic that is shown in this forum: http://forums.islamicawakening.com/f20/ ... asonry-90/

That thread is presenting the system that will produce Dajjal. Read it instead of dancing around it.

Truth is, the Sunnis led by Wahabbists and Muslim brotherhood are either being dubbed or willing implementors of Dajjal's plan.

Yes, I stand by my word. the imposter Sunnis such as Mulsim Brotherhood and KSA-run Wahabbists are pursuing the plan to create that kingdom between Euphrates and Nile. Explain to us why you people are only found where your "masters"need you? In Libya, the governments of these four countries --Egypt, KSA, Qatar, and Turkey--were part of the invasion that destroyed that Muslim country. In Syria today, the establishments of those four countries are part of the system that is destroying this Muslim country. In Lebanon, the establishment of these four countries are also part of the plan that is choking Hezbollah. The irony is you play the Sunni card when you're contributing very heavily the demise of every independent government in the Muslim world. You are also doing that when Sunnis in Gaza concentration camp are suffering very heavily. If you, the supporters of Mulsim Brotherhood and KSA-run Wahabbists, are genuine Sunnis, who needs your attention: (1)Gaza; or (2) Syria, Libya, Hezbollah???

The biggest bust of the imposter Sunnis (remember I say imposter Sunnis 'cause I don't believe neither Muslim brotherhood nor Wahhabists are Sunnis themselves) came when the so-called AL-QAEDA boggeymen were caught fighting alongside with the western special forces who were fighting against Libyan government forces. You were also guiding the western bombers who were attacking the Libyan government forces from the air. Explain any verse in the Holly Koran or a hadith that sanctions what you people have done in Libya or are currently doing in Syria?? Another challenge to SNET resident Wahhabist Arabman!!!!

One more question to ArabMan: Do you believe the so-called FSA is pursuing Jihad in Syria?

Finally, nice try to deflect the topic, but the bust against imposter Muslim Brotherhood and imposter Wahabbists will continue!!!!!

[Arabmann]

I say imposter Sunnis 'cause I don't believe neither Muslim brotherhood nor Wahhabists are Sunnis themselves

Is what you believe based on personal opinion or what Muslim scholars have deemed (that the Muslim Brotherhood and Wahhabis aren't Sunnis)?

[udun]

You're still dancing around my questions. First, You have not proven where I stated Dajjal is alive today. Secondly, you have failed to answer these three questions:

1. The biggest bust of the imposter Sunnis (remember I say imposter Sunnis 'cause I don't believe neither Muslim brotherhood nor Wahhabists are Sunnis themselves) came when the so-called AL-QAEDA boggeymen were caught fighting alongside with the western special forces who were fighting against Libyan government forces. You were also guiding the western bombers who were attacking the Libyan government forces from the air. Explain any verse in the Holly Koran or a hadith that sanctions what you people have done in Libya or are currently doing in Syria?? Another challenge to SNET resident Wahhabist Arabman!!!

2. Do you believe the so-called FSA (Free Syrian Army) is pursuing a Jihad in Syria?

3. If you, the supporters of Mulsim Brotherhood and KSA-run Wahabbists, are genuine Sunnis, who needs your attention: (1)Gaza; or (2) Syria & Libya???

To get back to your question, the term "Muslim scholars" has been a loose term lately depending on the school of thought that one belongs to; however, the unanimous consensus among Ulema is any Muslim who is helping non-Muslims against other Muslims has sealed his or her fate, particularly when non-Muslims are invading Muslim lands, killing Muslim men and women, raping Muslim women, and looting resources that belongs to Muslim peoples. In Iraq, sections of Shia population and Wahhabists were part of the agression against the population of that country. In Libya, both Muslim brotherhood in Egypt and Wahhabist establishment led by the KSA joined non-Muslim forces and attacked Muslims in that country. The fitna they created in Libya caused the death of hundreds of thousands, the rape of Muslim women in Libya, and the destruction of beautiful Muslim cities such as Sirte. In Syria, both Muslim brotherhood and Wahhabist establishment led by the KSA are part of the war imposed on the Syrian Muslim and Christian population who has done harm to no one. Overwhelming Wahhabist or Muslim brotherhood members are supportive of the current calamity imposed on Syria. They are doing it while the cry from Gaza and other oppressed Muslims reached their homes every night for over 60 years. Tell us where your claims of being Sunnis fits in the mainstream Sunni Islam?

Read this hadith and see if it makes any difference for you:

Narrated Ibn 'Umar: (The Prophet (Peace be upon him)) said, "O Allah! Bless our Sham and our yemen." People said, "Our Najd as well." The Prophet (Peace be upon him) again said, "O Allah! Bless our Sham and yemen." They said again, "Our Najd as well." On that the Prophet ((Peace be upon him) said, "There will appear earthquakes and afflictions, and from there will come out the side of the head of Satan." (Book #17, Hadith #147, Bukhari).

We are definitely witnessing the fitna that these people are bewing within Muslim Ummah.

[Arabmann]

To get back to your question, the term "Muslim scholars" has been a loose term lately depending on the school of thought that one belongs to; however, the unanimous consensus among Ulema is any Muslim who is helping non-Muslims against other Muslims has sealed his or her fate, particularly when non-Muslims are invading Muslim lands, killing Muslim men and women, raping Muslim women, and looting resources that belongs to Muslim peoples.

Who are those Ulema whose consensus unanimously deemed the Muslim Brotherhood and Wahhabis aren't Sunni Muslims? Is Sheikh Imran Hosein one of them?

In Libya, both Muslim brotherhood in Egypt and Wahhabist establishment led by the KSA joined non-Muslim forces and attacked Muslims in that country. The fitna they created in Libya caused the death of hundreds of thousands, the rape of Muslim women in Libya, and the destruction of beautiful Muslim cities such as Sirte.

Are you confusing the Muslim Brotherhood of Egypt with the Egyptian government? The Muslim Brotherhood of Egypt doesn't have a military wing. I've read about Qatar providing assistance to the Libyan opposition. Can you back up your claim that KSA Wahhabists militarily attacked Libya?

In Syria, both Muslim brotherhood and Wahhabist establishment led by the KSA are part of the war imposed on the Syrian Muslim and Christian population who has done harm to no one. Overwhelming Wahhabist or Muslim brotherhood members are supportive of the current calamity imposed on Syria. They are doing it while the cry from Gaza and other oppressed Muslims reached their homes every night for over 60 years. Tell us where your claims of being Sunnis fits in the mainstream Sunni Islam?

Again, the Muslim Brotherhood of Egypt doesn't have a military wing, so the onus is on you to prove it militarily attacked Syria or doesn't sympathize or help (within its limits) Gaza Muslims. If you were now Saudi Arabia's king, how would you help Gaza Muslims or liberate Palestine?

[miskeen86]

Udun, are you shia muslim?