So Beerxaani has been a district in Lower Jubba recently?

[The`Republic]

I didn't know Beerxaani is officially a district which increases Sade's districts in Jubbaland. I wonder why Sheikh Sharif is becoming very partial to Sade now.

http://kismaayo24.com/wp-content/upload ... aano11.jpg

[The`Republic]

2-Beerxaani/waa degmo waxaa iska leh Beesha (Sade=Mareexaan)

http://www.allkisima.com/?p=10682

[Murax]

B Xaawo, Garbahareey, Ceelwaaq, Baardheere, Luuq, Ceelcade,Doolow, Beerxaani. That would be 8 districts out of a possible what 18, that would be primarly Sade.

[metamorphosis]

murax with the exclusion of gedo how many sade districts can you count? If the name being used is jubbaland which is an absolute reference to the two lands called lower juba and middle jubba then at least have a decent representation in those lands. Its obvious you dont and thats exactly why incorporating gedo is an absolute requirement.

[Murax]

murax with the exclusion of gedo how many sade districts can you count? If the name being used is jubbaland which is an absolute reference to the two lands called lower juba and middle jubba then at least have a decent representation in those lands. Its obvious you dont and thats exactly why incorporating gedo is an absolute requirement.

Bro, Gedo is included in the prospective maamul, unless You've been living under a rock for the past few weeks unless You've just woken up.

[The`Republic]

If the name being used is jubbaland which is an absolute reference to the two lands called lower juba and middle jubba then at least have a decent representation in those lands. Its obvious you dont and thats exactly why incorporating gedo is an absolute requirement.

Are you from Somalia? Jubbaland is a reference to Lower Jubba and Middle? You don't seem to have basic historical knowledge.

"Jubbaland" refers to the three trans-Jubba regions of Somalia. What you now know as Gedo was part of "Upper Jubba" (Oltre Giuba) before being named "Gedo" with the partition of the territory in three states. The reference to "Jubbaland" is a historical one for the three trans-Jubba states:



It was a united territory under the British called "Jubbaland", given together as a gift to Italy, and it was a united territory under the Italians as well under the name "Oltre Giuba". Now it is going to be a united territory under the Federal structure of the Somali state.

With that said, Marehan lives in all the districts of the Gedo region, lives in Saakow, Salagle, and Bu'aale in Middle Jubba, and lives in Kismaayo, Beerxaani, Kudhaa and other locales in the Lower Jubba.

The Absame live in the northern part of Middle Jubba, and the western part of Lower Jubba.

The Sheikhal, Gaaljecel, Gosha, and Dabbare (Rahanweyn) live in the eastern part of Lower Jubba, and the souther part of Middle Jubba neighboring Lower Shabelle.

[metamorphosis]

murax with the exclusion of gedo how many sade districts can you count? If the name being used is jubbaland which is an absolute reference to the two lands called lower juba and middle jubba then at least have a decent representation in those lands. Its obvious you dont and thats exactly why incorporating gedo is an absolute requirement.

Bro, Gedo is included in the prospective maamul, unless You've been living under a rock for the past few weeks unless You've just woken up.

I know gedo is but that isnt my argument. A good chunck of your jubbaland dream rests on the shoulders of gedo. it has very little to do with the two jubbas. Its unrealistic if you ask me and very novice, politcally.

[The`Republic]

When Beesha Sade and Gaaljecel had a fight in areas surrounding what is now Beerxaani "district" of Lower Jubba, in the reconciliation meeting the Sultan of Gaaljecel spoke of the historical neighborliness and relationship between Beesha Sade and Gaaljecel and says let us go back to how we have always lived with each other.

Colaadii daba dheeraatay ee deegaanka Beerxaani iyo tuulooyinka ku xeeran ee gobolka Jubbadda hoose oo la soo af-jaray

Suldaan Rashiid Durre (beesha gaaljecel) ayaa tibaaxay inaysan suurta gal ahayn sii socoshada dagaal deegaameedkan, dhex maray dad waligood nabad ku wada joogay “sidaas awgeed ay muhiim tahay in laga xaalo dhibka dhcay,xeerna laga sameeysto si ayan markale u soo noqonin falalkii foosha xumaa ee nagu riday barakaca loona noqdo sidii loo noollaan jiray oo ahay in baad iyo biyoba la wadaago beesha sade_daarood-na ay ku mahadsan tahay inay intaa nala fahmeen”

http://www.somaliweyn.com/pages/news/Fe ... Feb18.html

[Murax]

How do You have more right to Jubbaland when I live on more districts along the Jubba River than You? Where does the Jubba River start? It starts in Doolow, goes through Luuq, then through Buurdoobo, Baardheere, thats 4 districts along the river. With You, its two districts Bu'aale and Afmadow. Raskambooni, Badhaade, Dhoobley are all not on the river.


Its like if there was to be a Nile River Land, Egypt telling Sudan, You are not part of Nile River State, even though it goes through both Countries, nonsense

[The`Republic]

Meta, Jubbaland has nothing to do with separting Gedo or another region. This is not pick and choose. The things that make the state appropriat are:

1. Shared history

The territory was united under Jubbaland during British, united under Oltre Giuba during Italians, and even during Siad Barre when it was broken into three regions, have shared history that affected each other more than other regions affected them, and even during civil war have a shared history and affected each other more than other regions affected them.

2. The geography of the Jubba River

The river enters Somalia from Dollow, Gedo passes through Gedo at Dollow, Luuq, Buurdhuubo, Baardheere, and goes through Middle Jubba down to Jilib and Jamaame, and exist to the Indian Ocean at Lower Jubba. In fact more of Gedo sees the Jubba River than any of the other two regions in "Jubbaland". The commerce and issues of the river which has the biggest impact in the three regions affects them simulataneously and only them.

Geographically the area is always grouped together under name "Jubba Valley".

3. Similar Composition

The territory is majority of the Darod clan than any other clan and have similar aspirations to rally around.




I think your problem is you have confused the name "Jubba" in Lower and Middle Jubba which wouldn't be the case if Gedo wasn't named "Gedo", but "Upper Jubba" or "Northern Jubba".

Beyond that, beesha Sade is majority in Kismaayo and is majority in Dollow, the two areas in Somalia where the Jubba river enter Somalia from and exit Somalia from. Beesha Sade doesn't seek to live in Dhoobley or Afmadoow, they have no desire. The clan already has plenty of land. We want the unity of the history state including from the Sade in Dollow to the Sade in Kismaayo.

[metamorphosis]

you are better than to rant falsey like that. this just reassures my earlier argument that with the removal of gedo you are standing naked and barefooted. You are putting all your eggs in one basket and its certainly not the brightest idea. You are not implying that any region which the river does not go through shouldnt be included? And are you saying it the river which ultimately decides how jubbaland is formed? the republic thank you.

[The`Republic]

Well you are welcome but brother let's not be too argumentative for the sake of argumentation. Your argument is a staw man to be honest. I know you as an Absame believe your peice of the pie is bigger with Gedo removed, but that position:

1. Has no historical narrative
2. Has no geographical rationale
3. Has no political context

This is realized by the Absame's own "Azania" movement which has since been dissolved but molded the borders around the same area as well as the recent signatures to the IGAD/AU Jubbaland conference by Ghandi and Madoobe.

There is no argument here.

[Murax]

you are better than to rant falsey like that. this just reassures my earlier argument that with the removal of gedo you are standing naked and barefooted. You are putting all your eggs in one basket and its certainly not the brightest idea. You are not implying that any region which the river does not go through shouldnt be included? And are you saying it the river which ultimately decides how jubbaland is formed? the republic thank you.

Lets not waste our time on the what ifs. Gedo is and will be a part of Jubbaland. That was never a question. Its best You accept that.

[metamorphosis]

Quite honestly i am not phrasing my arguments as an absame. You made the claim that kismaayo is predominatly sade inhabited and went on without supporting it. Do you have a data perhaps a cenaus report to substantiate your claims? the answer is no and for you to expect that i will take your words for truth would make the word naive an understatement. why cant you ever vouch for a jubbaland which does not include gedo? Because you would be powerless! But Oh right you have already addressed this and said the two jubbas along with gedo have been historically known as jubbaland. sure i agree but dont you at least acknowledge its gedo being part of jubbaland that gives you almost all of your representation? Murax good luck with that.

[Colonel]

How useless are we when 2 related tribes fight over a massive land which has enough space for all and then some more? Republic your arguments are weak saxiib, it is impossible for any of us to say "my tribe is the majority in Kismayo" or "the claim to the land is based on the river" c'mon now...

1 tribe will have the presidency and the other will be given mayorship of Kismayo, how difficult is that?