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I decided to work on this the other day:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub ... utput=html

James Dahl wrote:I decided to work on this the other day:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub ... utput=html

You didn't answer my question bro!

Who is the oldest somali tribe

and name the somali origins of all the rest

They're all basically the same age, if abtirsi is right

James Dahl wrote:I decided to work on this the other day:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub ... utput=html

Rubbish. Your spreadsheet is the most pathetic "work" i've ever seen. It's not an insult; it's a statement of facts.

Truth hurts I guess

All the evidence is there out in the world to prove that Christianity is all false. The Gospels according to John, Matthew, Luke, Mark and Paul? Who are these unknown men with no surnames? Why did they release these books as far as 80-100 years after Jesus supposedly died on the cross? Were they even born when Jesus was walking on the Earth? Forget about talking to Jesus, these unknown men never walked past Jesus. These are the same unknown people that brought up the nonsense of Jesus being the son of God. These are the same unknown people that brought up the nonsense of Jesus being both God and Man. Why did Paul refer to himself as an apostle when he accepted Jesus' teachings almost 40 years after the death of Jesus?

Was Paul not the same man that used to snatch these early Christians and send them to the Romans so they can be butchered? And now he is some sort of revered hero of the Christian faith? The Road to Damascus incident was nothing more than a hallucination or some sort of sick and twisted trick to fool others.

Not only are the Gospels written by one-named individuals but other Bibles are written and edited by multiple authors. The most shocking is that some Bibles are written by anonymous people with no names, not even a first name. And they are accepted and used by Christians as if its the ultimate truth.

It truly boggles the mind when people are still brainwashed by lies that have been debunked the second these mysterious men wrote the books about a man they have never met in their life.

The reason why the world hasn't progressed as much as it could have is mainly because of religions like Christianity. How sad a false religion has claimed the lives of more people than anything else imaginable. Millions upon millions of people slaughtered, tortured and traumatized by books that were written by unidentified men who have hallucinations in the middle of a dusty road. It get's hot in that region of the world, it is quite possible it was the heat that drove Mr. Unknown Paul to see and hear things

James Dahl wrote:Truth hurts I guess

Why should i be hurt? Really? Get serious james. I wasn't even angry. it's just that your work is pathetic. Just look at it and you'll realize its rubbish. nothing more than a collection of "facts" from two or three websites with wikipedia as the main source.

Brobaganda wrote:All the evidence is there out in the world to prove that Christianity is all false. The Gospels according to John, Matthew, Luke, Mark and Paul? Who are these unknown men with no surnames? Why did they release these books as far as 80-100 years after Jesus supposedly died on the cross? Were they even born when Jesus was walking on the Earth? Forget about talking to Jesus, these unknown men never walked past Jesus. These are the same unknown people that brought up the nonsense of Jesus being the son of God. These are the same unknown people that brought up the nonsense of Jesus being both God and Man. Why did Paul refer to himself as an apostle when he accepted Jesus' teachings almost 40 years after the death of Jesus?

Was Paul not the same man that used to snatch these early Christians and send them to the Romans so they can be butchered? And now he is some sort of revered hero of the Christian faith? The Road to Damascus incident was nothing more than a hallucination or some sort of sick and twisted trick to fool others.

Not only are the Gospels written by one-named individuals but other Bibles are written and edited by multiple authors. The most shocking is that some Bibles are written by anonymous people with no names, not even a first name. And they are accepted and used by Christians as if its the ultimate truth.

It truly boggles the mind when people are still brainwashed by lies that have been debunked the second these mysterious men wrote the books about a man they have never met in their life.

The reason why the world hasn't progressed as much as it could have is mainly because of religions like Christianity. How sad a false religion has claimed the lives of more people than anything else imaginable. Millions upon millions of people slaughtered, tortured and traumatized by books that were written by unidentified men who have hallucinations in the middle of a dusty road. It get's hot in that region of the world, it is quite possible it was the heat that drove Mr. Unknown Paul to see and hear things

Christianity is as false to you just as Islam is false to me.However, do you ever ask yourself why Allah would tell Muhamed, 600 years after Christ, to ask those who read the scriptures when he was in doubt? Or do you want to say that the Bible was changed after the death of Muhamed?

Bible has been changed no surprised. In fact it was written hundreds of years after Nabi Isa (as) was transported away from this world.

is there a difference between Christians and followers of Christ?

Brabaganda,

The Jews did not have surnames in the modern sense. They went son to father to grandfather, the same way Somalis do. Jesus was Hesua bar Yusuf (or bar Notzri, of Nazareth) with a genealogy going back to King David. Some were identified by home town, as Saul of Tarsus, or John of Patmos. We have James and John, the sons of Zebedee, and James the Just, the brother of Jesus. For the most part they knew who they were talking about.

The New testament has certainly been played with by a lot of folks and several of the authors are unknown or are questionable; however, there are strong indications most of the books were written in the first century and by men alive at the time of Jesus (d.33 A.D.). The strongest evidence to me of an early date is what the books DO NOT INCLUDE. See especially the fourth paragraph below:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Testament

"Dates of composition

See individual book articles for more detail

The earliest works which came to be part of the New Testament are the letters of the Apostle Paul. The Gospel of Mark has been dated from as early as the AD 50s, although most scholars date it between the range of 65 and 72.[63] Many scholars believe that Matthew and Luke were written after the composition of Mark as they make use of Mark's content. Therefore they are generally dated later than Mark, although how much later is debated. Matthew has been dated between 70 and 85. Luke has been placed within 80 to 95. However, a few scholars date the Gospel of Luke much earlier, as Luke indicates in the book of Acts that he has already written the Gospel of Luke prior to writing the introduction to Acts.

The earliest of the books of the New Testament was First Thessalonians, an epistle of Paul, written probably in 51, or possibly Galatians in 49 according to one of two theories of its writing. Of the pseudepigraphical epistles, scholars tend to place them somewhere between 70 and 150, with Second Peter usually being the latest.[citation needed]

In the 1830s German scholars of the Tübingen school tried to date the books as late as the 3rd century, but the discovery of some New Testament manuscripts and fragments from the 2nd and 3rd centuries, one of which dates as early as 125 (Papyrus 52), disproves a 3rd century date of composition for any book now in the New Testament. Additionally, a letter to the church at Corinth in the name of Clement of Rome in 95 quotes from 10 of the 27 books of the New Testament, and a letter to the church at Philippi in the name of Polycarp in 120 quotes from 16 books. Therefore, some of the books of the New Testament were at least in a first-draft stage, though there is negligible evidence in these quotes or among biblical manuscripts for the existence of different early drafts. Other books were probably not completed until later, assuming they must have been quoted by Clement or Polycarp.

However, John A. T. Robinson and other scholars argued for a much earlier dating, based on the fact that the New Testament writings make no mention of (1) the Great Fire of Rome (A.D. 64), one of the most destructive fires in Roman history, which Emperor Nero blamed on the Christians, and led to the first major persecution of believers; (2) the final years and deaths of Paul, who wrote most of the epistles, Peter, whom Catholics recognize as the first pope, and the other apostles; (3) Nero's suicide (A.D. 68); or (4) the total destruction of the temple in Jerusalem (A.D. 70), which Robinson thought should certainly have appeared, considering the importance of that event for Jews and Christians of that time. Jesus prophesies its total destruction in the Gospels of Matthew, Mark, and Luke, but the fulfillment of that prophecy never appears anywhere in the New Testament. Therefore, Robinson claimed that every book which would come to form the New Testament was written before AD. 70.[64]"

It's funny how the Christianity you'll find today from Austria to Australia has absolutely nothing to do with the teachings of Isa AS, nor with the practices of the first generation of followers of Christ.

zulaika wrote:is there a difference between Christians and followers of Christ?

One and the same. Christians think and are raised to think by culture they are followers and believers of christ. The reality is different. They follow St.Paul, the man who came up with today's christianity that was made official by the romans after all other bibles were burned in the year 325AD. That event is called The Council of Nicaea. All other bible versions were collected and burned. Any bible version that denied Jesus's Death on the Cross, That taught Jesus was just a prophet, was burned. All sects who were Unitarian chrisitians were subsequently massacred. Today's christianity is known as Pauline christianity and it is Polytheistic in nature.

I'm disappointed in you James

disrespecting other beliefs ... just like that?

i bet you cant say the same about islam or muslims in general . Talk about taking advantage of western liberal Values

I think all the material for all the gospels was written in the mid 1st century, but the important thing isn't when the source material was written, but rather when it was edited and compiled into the book used in the actual New Testament of today.

Grant, if you read the extracts from the Gospel of Peter, it is basically the Gospel of Mark, but various things have been changed. The line "Today I have begotten you" when Jesus is baptized, that is removed in Mark (that's Adoptionism). The talking cross and other Gnostic things are removed from the current Gospel of John. The Gospel of Matthew cuts out the line from the Gospel of the Hebrews that the leadership of Christianity went to James the Just, not Paul. The fact that they were edited I find less egregious than the fact that the editing wasn't by accident but a deliberate and politically motivated change.

Gantaal05 wrote:I'm disappointed in you James

disrespecting other beliefs ... just like that?

i bet you cant say the same about islam or muslims in general . Talk about taking advantage of western liberal Values

I'm doing no such thing, the study of how the Bible came to be in its current form is a hot topic in theological circles, but the editing of the Gospels is considered to have been a process of removing errors. I beg to differ.