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There has to be an economic rationale for building any road, but especially so if it is a 300KM+ long road.
Hodan come off it walaal, that's a load of nonsense. How is this road going to be financed? What company has the knowledge and skills to build this road? How many years, yes years, will this 300KM road take to complete? Considering that a 6 storey building in Hargeisa takes 5 years + to be built. lets be frank, honest and sincere saaxiibeyaal.Hodan94 wrote:that's good. economic opportunities would be increased in area's especially the food and veg markets
I like your thinking. But that will not be achieved by this government, because it requires ambition and risk-taking. Something no SL admin has shown so far. But at the same time, Erigabo is a main town and needs to be connected to the rest of the country. Also, 1km of road does not need to cost as much as $1 mil.CilmiDoone wrote:But where is the economic logic is building this road... to Erigavo. You would think there is a vibrant industrial sector in Erigavo or highly productive large scale farms or minerals and oil Somalis
This will be a road of about 300km which, if we assume a cost in the region of $1m per KM , implies a cost of around $300m to build the road. In reality, the cost is likely to be higher than $1m per KM considering the mountainous topography of the area where the road is being built, and the cost of building bridges where required. So say that, hypothetically speaking $300 million was collected from all Somalis, both in the diaspora and back home, in donations (lol). Now, assuming that dream to be true, imagine what could be done with $300m... this is a huge amount of money, enough to create jobs for almost everyone in S/L, if the money is invested in a smart way, into projects that create sustainable jobs and provide a return on the investment. So what, potentially, could be done with this money?
- Invest $25m in a fishing fleet transportation; storage, freezing, processing and transportation facilities. Create jobs. Earn hard currency though exporting the catch. The government can tax the operations of the entity. Revenues can be re-investing in either enlarging the operations of the entity, improving the technologies and operational methods, branding & marketing, entering new markets or in new industries altogether.
- Invest $35m in mechanised abattoirs & tannaries on the outskirts of the major cities, storage, freezing, processing and transportation facilities. Create jobs. Earn hard currency though exporting the products. The government can tax the operations of the entity. Revenues can be re-investing in either enlarging the operations of the entity, improving the technologies and operational methods, branding & marketing, entering new markets or in new industries altogether.
- Invest in $25m in farming in fetile parts of Awdal/Waqooyi galbeed/the South, significantly increase the land under cultivation, drill wells to irrigate those farms, get the universities & professionals with the requisite technical knowledge to improve agricultural methods; bring in drip irrigation, bring in fertilizers and encourage import substitution of whatever produce can be produced domestically. Improve food security, reduce food prices, improve peoples quality of lives, create jobs. Earn hard currency though exporting the products. The government can tax the operations of the entity. Revenues can be re-investing in either enlarging the operations of the entity, improving the technologies and operational methods, branding & marketing, entering new markets or in new industries altogether.
- Nationalise all universities (ban all non-government owned universities) and create a government funded independent univeristy. Invest $50m in a proper university/research institute that has a modern campuses, is fully equipped and that employs the most qualified, experienced and talented members of the Somali diaspora. The university should have faculties for applied sciences/technology/engineering/medical sciences&technologies, medicine/nursing/midwifery, economics/business/sociology, religious studies/Somali history/Somali literature. This university/research institute should: provide excellent teaching, free of charge, to all qualified students. This university should also conduct cutting-edge problem-solving based research to address the technological/economic/social/health issues within the country and come up with practical solutions and authoritative recommendations. The university should have close links with and directly work with companies/industry/schools/hospitals/government departments.
- Invest $50m in light manufacturing of imported consumer goods that can be produced or assembled within the county even if we have to import the required raw materials e.g. shoes, clothes, furniture, construction materials, foodstuffs (flour, edible oils etc.)
- Invest $115m in a small power plant, dramatically bring down the price of electricity and encourage light manufacturing. Build power lines to the major cities, with the support of donors/friendly nations.
Think about the opportunity cost. I don't think building a road to nowhere is the most rational/beneficial way to spend scarce resources.Hodan94 wrote:just calm down and lets see what happens. however if this road is a success then it'll benefit not just cities but people from the countryside.
as for now be patient,
The $1m figure I mentioned was entirely arbitrary but my issue with this whole project is the opportunity cost of it and the fact that this project will provide a minimal to nil return on investment. I do believe that raising large amounts of money from the diaspora/locals is, to an extent, feasible and realistic. But the best way to spend that money, if it is raised, is by investing it in projects that (a) create sustainable jobs and (b) provide a sustained return on investment in perpetuity, the proceeds from which can then be reinvested - building a road to nowhere does neither of those things. Resources are scarce and projects have to be prioritised. Yes, Erigabo is a main town, but that does not justify prioritising the funding of a $300km road that will provide minimal to nil return on investment over the funding of projects that create sustainable jobs, improve people's quality of life and provide a high return on investment, in perpetuity.abdi.ismail wrote:I like your thinking. But that will not be achieved by this government, because it requires ambition and risk-taking. Something no SL admin has shown so far. But at the same time, Erigabo is a main town and needs to be connected to the rest of the country. Also, 1km of road does not need to cost as much as $1 mil.CilmiDoone wrote:But where is the economic logic is building this road... to Erigavo. You would think there is a vibrant industrial sector in Erigavo or highly productive large scale farms or minerals and oil Somalis
This will be a road of about 300km which, if we assume a cost in the region of $1m per KM , implies a cost of around $300m to build the road. In reality, the cost is likely to be higher than $1m per KM considering the mountainous topography of the area where the road is being built, and the cost of building bridges where required. So say that, hypothetically speaking $300 million was collected from all Somalis, both in the diaspora and back home, in donations (lol). Now, assuming that dream to be true, imagine what could be done with $300m... this is a huge amount of money, enough to create jobs for almost everyone in S/L, if the money is invested in a smart way, into projects that create sustainable jobs and provide a return on the investment. So what, potentially, could be done with this money?
- Invest $25m in a fishing fleet transportation; storage, freezing, processing and transportation facilities. Create jobs. Earn hard currency though exporting the catch. The government can tax the operations of the entity. Revenues can be re-investing in either enlarging the operations of the entity, improving the technologies and operational methods, branding & marketing, entering new markets or in new industries altogether.
- Invest $35m in mechanised abattoirs & tannaries on the outskirts of the major cities, storage, freezing, processing and transportation facilities. Create jobs. Earn hard currency though exporting the products. The government can tax the operations of the entity. Revenues can be re-investing in either enlarging the operations of the entity, improving the technologies and operational methods, branding & marketing, entering new markets or in new industries altogether.
- Invest in $25m in farming in fetile parts of Awdal/Waqooyi galbeed/the South, significantly increase the land under cultivation, drill wells to irrigate those farms, get the universities & professionals with the requisite technical knowledge to improve agricultural methods; bring in drip irrigation, bring in fertilizers and encourage import substitution of whatever produce can be produced domestically. Improve food security, reduce food prices, improve peoples quality of lives, create jobs. Earn hard currency though exporting the products. The government can tax the operations of the entity. Revenues can be re-investing in either enlarging the operations of the entity, improving the technologies and operational methods, branding & marketing, entering new markets or in new industries altogether.
- Nationalise all universities (ban all non-government owned universities) and create a government funded independent univeristy. Invest $50m in a proper university/research institute that has a modern campuses, is fully equipped and that employs the most qualified, experienced and talented members of the Somali diaspora. The university should have faculties for applied sciences/technology/engineering/medical sciences&technologies, medicine/nursing/midwifery, economics/business/sociology, religious studies/Somali history/Somali literature. This university/research institute should: provide excellent teaching, free of charge, to all qualified students. This university should also conduct cutting-edge problem-solving based research to address the technological/economic/social/health issues within the country and come up with practical solutions and authoritative recommendations. The university should have close links with and directly work with companies/industry/schools/hospitals/government departments.
- Invest $50m in light manufacturing of imported consumer goods that can be produced or assembled within the county even if we have to import the required raw materials e.g. shoes, clothes, furniture, construction materials, foodstuffs (flour, edible oils etc.)
- Invest $115m in a small power plant, dramatically bring down the price of electricity and encourage light manufacturing. Build power lines to the major cities, with the support of donors/friendly nations.
$100k per KM you say? $100 per metre? In that case I think the world needs to go to Somaliland to learn how to build good quality roads so incredibly cheaply.abdikarim86 wrote:^ The road is expected to cost around $100 000 per kilometre.
Mida kale, leave it to us how we're going to spend the money we raise
amongst ourselves. There are bigger problems for your people to raise rather than
worrying about our attempts to build Sanaag
