Question for Somalilanders

[hydrogen]

It is evident the current leaders of Somaliland aren't effective and a lot of you believe that the future educated generations will take over. I have a question: if the future generation of educated & let's be honest, Isaaqs take over, do you guys think the future generations of Awdal like the Gedabursi and the future generations of the Khaatumo will oblige?

Since they will use Somalinimo/Somaliweyn to their favour, how would you thwart this opposition?

[Xildiiid]

First you have to define what Somalinimo is.

Secondly Somaliweyn is failed project that will never happen. Djibouti would never join Somalia and Somaliland. Ethiopia and Kenya wouldn't give up Zone 5 and NFD.

Ironically Gadubirsi, Ciise, Warsangeli and Dhulbahante opposed uniting with Somalia and creating the Somali Republic in 1960. The USP party who was the third largest party after SNL & NUF wanted to wait for 6 months if not more and the Isaaq politicians told them no, one of them even throwing a bottle at the Dhulbahante leader who came up with the idea and since majority rules, the illegal unification unfortunately took place because our politicians were honest and gullible. Today it's opposite, we oppose reunification with Somalia and since majority rules it will never happen.

[hydrogen]

This isn't about unification. Actually I'm glad you're here. This about your militant determination to further Somaliland, something we can both agree that the current leadership of Somaliland lacks. But guess what? There are many western-raised and educated Awdal people who will put up a fight in the future unlike the current Awdal which is passive. I asked how will you thwart the determined opposition as you are are determined yourself.

I get the history. This is about the future.

[Octavius]

Somaliland is not a choice, nor is it an option, it is a necessity for survival. The South has nothing to offer. It only offers war, foreign occupation and perpetual disgrace.

[SecretAgent]

Decision will be made by UN,EU,AU,TFG govt not by landers

[Xildiiid]

This isn't about unification. Actually I'm glad you're here. This about your militant determination to further Somaliland, something we can both agree that the current leadership of Somaliland lacks. But guess what? There are many western-raised and educated Awdal people who will put up a fight in the future unlike the current Awdal which is passive. I asked how will you thwart the determined opposition as you are are determined yourself.

I get the history. This is about the future.

They can oppose Somaliland all they want but they don't have legitimate arguments against Somaliland, that's the difference. Both "Awdal state" and "Khaatumo" are clan projects created to counter Isaaq just as they created the USP party in 1960 to counter the SNL and NUF.

They don't care about the dead Somaliweyn or former Somali republic. They simply regurgitate the same slogan that's destroying Somalia which is "Qabiil walba isagaa is xukumeya". So if their main arguments are "Somalinimo" and Somaliweyn, I don't think they can put up a fight, let alone convince anyone.

[hydrogen]

This isn't about unification. Actually I'm glad you're here. This about your militant determination to further Somaliland, something we can both agree that the current leadership of Somaliland lacks. But guess what? There are many western-raised and educated Awdal people who will put up a fight in the future unlike the current Awdal which is passive. I asked how will you thwart the determined opposition as you are are determined yourself.

I get the history. This is about the future.

They can oppose Somaliland all they want but they don't have legitimate arguments against Somaliland, that's the difference. Both "Awdal state" and "Khaatumo" are clan projects created to counter Isaaq just as they created the USP party in 1960 to counter the SNL and NUF.

They don't care about the dead Somaliweyn or former Somali republic. They simply regurgitate the same slogan that's destroying Somalia which is "Qabiil walba isagaa is xukumeya". So if their main arguments are "Somalinimo" and Somaliweyn, I don't think they can put up a fight, let alone convince anyone.

Do you think future Awdal will be passive?

[Xildiiid]

This isn't about unification. Actually I'm glad you're here. This about your militant determination to further Somaliland, something we can both agree that the current leadership of Somaliland lacks. But guess what? There are many western-raised and educated Awdal people who will put up a fight in the future unlike the current Awdal which is passive. I asked how will you thwart the determined opposition as you are are determined yourself.

I get the history. This is about the future.

They can oppose Somaliland all they want but they don't have legitimate arguments against Somaliland, that's the difference. Both "Awdal state" and "Khaatumo" are clan projects created to counter Isaaq just as they created the USP party in 1960 to counter the SNL and NUF.

They don't care about the dead Somaliweyn or former Somali republic. They simply regurgitate the same slogan that's destroying Somalia which is "Qabiil walba isagaa is xukumeya". So if their main arguments are "Somalinimo" and Somaliweyn, I don't think they can put up a fight, let alone convince anyone.

Do you think future Awdal will be passive?

It won't matter if they're passive or not in the future. It's all about making a solid case and I don't see how that will happen.

[theyuusuf143]

It is evident the current leaders of Somaliland aren't effective and a lot of you believe that the future educated generations will take over. I have a question: if the future generation of educated & let's be honest, Isaaqs take over, do you guys think the future generations of Awdal like the Gedabursi and the future generations of the Khaatumo will oblige?

Since they will use Somalinimo/Somaliweyn to their favour, how would you thwart this opposition?

there will alwaysbe opposition in one way or the other, and there will always be a LAW INFORCEMENT. to answer your question isaaq name does not exist in somaliland politics so there will never be isaaq taking over others, but its possible some habar having political power few years then an other habar replaces. no doubt habarjeclo have more political power since 2010 taking over country's two highest seats and most key ministers, but that will change next year an other habar will come forward.

since both gadabuursi and dhuloos are equal to f HY and HJ they can take over them too, same as rayaale did. the unpopular rayaale used his gudoos+ plus some habro to defeat heavy champion SNM leader with an other strong habro behind him , i remember "we" east burao demonstrated that night while west burao were having big party for the rayaale victory , i believe future samaroon generation will be masters of all habro, they know how the system works and they have good chance of taking their fair share without efforts.

at the other hand dhuloos future generation will remain the same or worse, those who born outside the country have no stable place to go back. and those who are already there will never be united unless the government makes massive military ride against pintland, once we close the border for good every dhulbahante person will fox on how to be something inside their country, dont be fooled with those blue flags, they are not die hard loyal for nobody not even between themselves dhulbahante are the most passive for the stronger. the only reason they are against the republic is because we are not strong enough to put them under control.

[BreakingBad]

Hydrogen- That was really an interesting question. i my self hail from Awdal and i'm not a politically involved person but i know the basics and Somaliland as a region is something to be proud of for their hard work and how they achieved so much without global help. i mean institutionally and structurally speaking they did quite well with limited resources and i'm not including the peace aspect. (cuz that mostly took care it self with the regard of one clan living together as a family compared to other parts of Somali regions and that reduces violence massively (in my opinion).

BUT when it comes to Somaliland as a government that's where it gets tricky. as i said i'm not politically active in terms of keeping up with the numbers of who is who clan have more seats of others and vice versa but it's pretty obvious that Isaaq clan occupy most of the major and pivotal seats in the government. yeah Vice President is Awdal based but serves no meaningful purpose apart from been a Muppet for the big dog (no offence). and i don't wanna remind anyone who is based there that Somaliland government is solely based in Hargiesa, apart from been the capital, as a government your political influence should at least occupy more than one city geography which is sadly not the case. sometimes if you visit other states i.e Awdal you'll find hard to believe that Somaliland operates or even exists there. absolutely diabolical.

Personally, I'm proud i hail from there but the truth is Somaliland is clan based government not a global one. and i don't think that will change anytime soon.
So to answer your question of how will the future Awdal generation might react or oppose and will they the be passive or not, i think Awdal folks should focus on how to develop their state and open their own port (which is ongoing i think) and be independent as much as they can and develop their economy and not look on the political side. cuz Somalia is not coming back for a while let alone Somaliland been recognized and people should get used to that. i honestly believe Awdal folks are not politically ready at the moment.. they're too honest to be a politician which is sadly the case in this modern world. a blood sucking monsters living upon the poor and powerless folks. and yeah they're educated and well mannered people so i don't want them be waving Awdal state flags and stuff and just get on with their lives.

P.s i'm just merely conveying my opinion if that is not obvious and there's no premeditated intention to provoke or insult anyone's believes.

[blizzard90]

I kinda feel sorry for reer awdal what they want wont matter because of their location, they are located in deep west, almost like a hostage for isaaks. its hard and nearly impossible for anyone for help them. they are stuck between a a rock and a hard place.

[abdikarim86]

Hydrogen ...what percentage do think Khaatumo and "Awdal" folks make up within S/land?

[hydrogen]

Hydrogen ...what percentage do think Khaatumo and "Awdal" folks make up within S/land?

10% each I think. But they occupy areas on either sides

[SecretAgent]

Hartis 20-23percent,dirs 10-13percent,oromos 5percent,gabooyes,hawiyes 5percent issaqs 55-58percent but most issaq are pro unionist except habar awals most unionist are ciidagle,eastern habar jeclos,sanag HY

[hydrogen]

Hartis 20-23percent,dirs 15percent,oromos 10percent,gabooyes,hawiyes 5percent issaqs 55-58percent but most issaq are pro unionist except habar awals most unionist are ciidagle,eastern habar jeclos,sanag HY

What makes some of them unionist and the others not?