Why is Somali nationalism so weak

[Khalid Ali]

I always wondered how Somali nationalism was weakened and why it became weak we all know the clan dynamics of the Somalis but one could say , we should carefully watch how Somali nationalism was weakened, 1960 to 1970 the introduction of civil democracy to clan democracy . To clan dictatorship to clan rebellion to Clan disintegration to the alternative proposed as clan federalism. Some intellectuals believe that the reason why Somali nationalism is so weak is that the state the Somali republic means little to Somalis themselves the state means nothing really. Other say the fact that the country is called the Somali republic or Somalia later after the country broke apart. its the name the country is named after an ethnic group that lives in other countries in the horn 2 and its not given geographical name of the region it situated in.

[LightAtNight]

I would say Somali nationalism is not weak, its actually very strong, Somalism is alive and kicking. What went wrong with Somalia is that they failed to recognise that despite the division we have amongst ourselves, we should always present a united front against outside forces and our enemies, and no matter how much we disagreed, we should intellectually have known that preserving the Somali state was in the Interest of all of us. If Somalis were intelligent, no matter how qabiliste society was, they should have all recognised what was in their best interest collectively. You can hate and insult what ever qabil you want..... but be able to see the bigger picture. My conclusion marak waxaawaye Somalida cali baa kuyar

[Estarix]

Somali nationalism is relatively recent concept to Somalis. For centuries the most important identity was their clan. The time a state existed nationalism although entered somali consciousness but apart from the urban class it did not replace clan in being the heart and epicentre of the average somali and in some way somali nationalism was poison and used to carry out evil deeds.
Ultimately the blame lies on the limited social, cultural and economic development by the previous regime and its lacklustre attempts to curb and replace clannish behaviour; instead the government and institutions was often awash with clan corruption.

[LightAtNight]

Somali nationalism is relatively recent concept to Somalis. For centuries the most important identity was their clan. The time a state existed nationalism although entered somali consciousness but apart from the urban class it did not replace clan in being the heart and epicentre of the average somali and in some way somali nationalism was poison and used to carry out evil deeds.
Ultimately the blame lies on the limited social, cultural and economic development by the previous regime and its lacklustre attempts to curb and replace clannish behaviour; instead the government and institutions was often awash with clan corruption.

There is no problem being loyal to your clan (If you have to though I disagree with it), but one should recognise that it must not be at the expense of the state under which all Somalis lived. The collapse of the state would not be in the interest of any clan..... this is simple, so I dont know whats wrong with somalis. And yes, before colonialism, there was a sense of collective identity amongst Somalis, thats why we look similar and have the same language, cultural cristalisation. Its not like we were different peoples who only came together after colonialism, we have some kind of shared past. Even if we we totally different people and had no commonalities, we still should have been able to live in peace, look at how many countries in Africa and the world are like that and they still live in peace.

[AbdiJohnson]

Its weak because clan identity is strong

I am sure for instance when the famine occurred, Somalis not from the areas affected gave a shit.

Somalis are only 10 million. There are more people in London than Somalia

I am,

Abdi "We are being torn into shreds by Ethiopians" Johnson

[LightAtNight]

Its weak because clan identity is strong

I am sure for instance when the famine occurred, Somalis not from the areas affected gave a shit.

Somalis are only 10 million. There are more people in London than Somalia

I am,

Abdi "We are being torn into shreds by Ethiopians" Johnson

People are a mixture.... there are those who cared and there are those who didnt, in the end it comes down to how a person is individully in their heart. People dont always act in unisom. I know Somaliland raised a lot of money to help people affected by the last famine in the south.

[Estarix]

Somali nationalism is relatively recent concept to Somalis. For centuries the most important identity was their clan. The time a state existed nationalism although entered somali consciousness but apart from the urban class it did not replace clan in being the heart and epicentre of the average somali and in some way somali nationalism was poison and used to carry out evil deeds.
Ultimately the blame lies on the limited social, cultural and economic development by the previous regime and its lacklustre attempts to curb and replace clannish behaviour; instead the government and institutions was often awash with clan corruption.

There is no problem being loyal to your clan (If you have to though I disagree with it), but one should recognise that it must not be at the expense of the state under which all Somalis lived. The collapse of the state would not be in the interest of any clan..... this is simple, so I dont know whats wrong with somalis. And yes, before colonialism, there was a sense of collective identity amongst Somalis, thats why we look similar and have the same language, cultural cristalisation. Its not like we were different peoples who only came together after colonialism, we have some kind of shared past. Even if we we totally different people and had no commonalities, we still should have been able to live in peace, look at how many countries in Africa and the world are like that and they still live in peace.

There is no problem with clan is a strictly familial and cultural sense. Clan can be used for identification and loyalty towards a clan can be geared beneficial for the above reasons (social,cultural etc). But the problem exists when clan intertwines and infiltrates into the politics and governance of the wider society and the country. It should strictly be kept out of government and important institutions. The government should have a culture and interest that is clan neutral; in this case it's somali nationalism.
Though, in somali past the politicians are mostly to blame as they did not have the professionalism and maturity to keep clans and its ills from the government. I agree that the average person should support government in expense of its own clan only to a certain extent, but, if the government is at war with your clan and targets individuals or groups based on a certain shared forefather then working against the government is justified as working with them would be akin to treachery.

[thegoodshepherd]

Some clans like the majerteen already had a sort of national identity by the time they were conqured in 1927. This national identity was similar to the alliagence of a people to a monoarch. Other somalis did not have this sort of political structure, and were retarded in this political sense. This is one reason why the Somaliweyne type of nationalism did not take great hold in that area. The people of that area already remembered a time that they were a nation, they felt weired adopting groups that were very different into their national identity.

[sahal80]

You have been thought your qabiil by ab can jad/familly

Islam by shykhs/mucalim

But no one has thought you about nationalism!

Lack of history!

In the arab world, they put arabnimo first before islam! This is why kurdish are suffering

A christian arab from lebanon is closer to arab from a somali!.

[LiquidHYDROGEN]

You have been thought your qabiil by ab can jad/familly

Islam by shykhs/mucalim

But no one has thought you about nationalism!

Lack of history!

In the arab world, they put arabnimo first before islam! This is why kurdish are suffering

A christian arab from lebanon is closer to arab from a somali!.

If yo truly believe that, god have mercy on your soul.

As for the topic: I think there was an IQ test done for Somalia which gave an average of 68. Just for perspective, Clinical retardation levels are about 70.

[knet]

We do not and never will believe in the bullshit called Nationalism.

[thegoodshepherd]

We do not and never will believe in the bullshit called Nationalism.

Nationalism is a Hawiye project these days. They are very nationalistic because they have Mog and their position gets stronger because of nationalism. Mog is hutu and bantu not the most important city. We have kismayo which we will make into a new Mogadishu. There is nothing that Mog has to offer our people that we don't already have in Kista. I say fock somaliweyne yes to Darood nationalism AKA Daroodism

[sahal80]

You have been thought your qabiil by ab can jad/familly

Islam by shykhs/mucalim

But no one has thought you about nationalism!

Lack of history!

In the arab world, they put arabnimo first before islam! This is why kurdish are suffering

A christian arab from lebanon is closer to arab from a somali!.

If yo truly believe that, god have mercy on your soul.

As for the topic: I think there was an IQ test done for Somalia which gave an average of 68. Just for perspective, Clinical retardation levels are about 70.

lol I guess you haven't been to arabic school!, all the colonial pan-arab poets were christian from ilia abou mati, khalil gibran, nucayma even the founders of their nationalist parties like al bacth were christian!.


In the gulf, all the tvs girls were christian from lebanon before they let their girls do this job, christians still dominate the music, media, movies as directors or editors or producers!

Most popular arab artist nancy ajram is christian, she's racisit though. Once in her arab idol she stopped a sudanese for his dialect "being incomprehensible" lol and your comparing them to somalis lol!.

[Murax]

Khalid,

Everyone is 'nationalist' markay dhan ka leeyihiin and then they change. Look at today for instance, with the parliment members, You found people praising them and not saying anything bad about them. The second a few of them turned Anti Culusow, all the sudden they're 'bad' When the truth is the mps were wicked before and wicked now. You find this all the time.

[sahal80]

Khalid,

Everyone is 'nationalist' markay dhan ka leeyihiin and then they change. Look at today for instance, with the parliment members, You found people praising them and not saying anything bad about them. The second a few of them turned Anti Culusow, all the sudden they're 'bad' When the truth is the mps were wicked before and wicked now. You find this all the time.

Lol seems that you believed in what nomad was saying!

I guess you think this bc you guys have an issue!

We always(and all somalis do this) have talked about how corrupt are these mps!

In one of my threads I have mentioned how saacid hasn't accepted to take $1m and go silently before "culusow" spends them on the corrupt mps!

Infact people more believe now in their corruption bc of what happened to saacid!

Cut the crap!

Nevertheless its hard to identify what's nationalism is and what's not from a tribal prospective so my advice to you is to you is don't judge the things from a closely related matter!.