scotland can't survive without the uk

[sahal80]

There will be a referendun for independence in scotland by next september

To show that scotland is free the uk govt has chosen the word separation to be used in the referendum rather the word independence

The Uk, irish and the EU residents in scotland will have the right to vote

On the other hand the scottish residents in the rest of the uk will not have the right to vote

They are nearly 1m out of the 5m scottish people

Now, scotland lacks all the basics of a state such as the army

So its supposed annual budget is far far from covering the all needs of the independent scottish state

This is why a lot of scottish are againist scotland becoming a separate country.

It has some oil and gas wich is the pro-independent politicians main argument but not enought at all to cover the building of a state from zero.

Why voting the uk out? Who will replace them!

To fill the vacuum, this may need a £50bn.

[thehappyone]

I disagree with you, not only can Scotland survive but I think it will thrive. But that's not the only issue, if Scotland becomes independent it will have huge implications. England, Wales and Northern Ireland alone will not be an G8 country, it might lose its permanent seat on the security council. And then theres the problem of the billions that need to spend on moving the nucleur arsenal which Scotland wont obviously pay for.

[sahal80]

I disagree with you, not only can Scotland survive but I think it will thrive. But that's not the only issue, if Scotland becomes independent it will have huge implications. England, Wales and Northern Ireland alone will not be an G8 country, it might lose its permanent seat on the security council. And then theres the problem of the billions that need to spend on moving the nucleur arsenal which Scotland wont obviously pay for.

it will cost both of them even the british navy will lose a lot

not saying that the 5 million scottish populations(the same size of the rich norway populations) may not be a in a better economical situation, its about lacking the basics

The state needs a huge budget for all these basic sectors

Needs a new currency

New financial system(its believed that still scotland will depend on the royal bank)

[sahal80]

Check out what their gordan brown thinks!

Family collapses

Because of the local revenues not being enough to fund the new systems, a higher tax will be impossed and more will move to the uk!



The Scots are proven the westreners economical mentality!

Are saying fock empty ideologies!

Scotland will stay part of the uk

Still the polls are in favour of unity.

[gurey25]

There is an economic problem if you are a neo liberal idealogue.
If you have a one track mind and think things can only be done the why the high priests in the temples tell you to do it.

Scotland has debts in pounds, not enough revenue from taxation to cover both the debt repayment and fund the countries economy.

The solution is to have your own currency backed by public credit,
this way you will have enough money to drive the country and be able to get rid of your debts in good time.
if they keep it up in just 5 years scotland will be allot richer than the UK with next to zero unemployment and good infratructure and quality of life.


The problem is that this sends a bad example to the greeks and others suffering.

this is also why scotland will not be independent.

[Ben Dover]

As Western countries go Scotland is resource rich, it has significant quantities of fossil fuel deposits, including 62.4% of the EU's proven reserves of oil, 12.5% of the EU's proven reserves of gas and 69% of UK coal reserves in addition to 25% of Europe's offshore wind resources. According to calculations by pro-Union economist Professor Brian Ashcroft, had Scotland been independent since 1981 it would now have a reserve fund worth between £68bn and £200bn, rather than being liable for a share of the UK’s trillion-pound debt.

http://wingsoverscotland.com/massive-oi ... iscovered/

Scotland is also a net contributor to the British economy meaning that it raises more in taxation (which is sent to Westminster) than it receives back in rebate. The issue of independence is that of ideological differences. Whereas the English are leaning ever more towards the right with their conservative voting tendencies and the recent rise of UKIP, Scotland has a left of centre outlook. You can observe this in the way the National Health service is run on either ends of the border, the free prescription program in Scotland and their recent defiance of the Bedroom Tax.

There is also the issue of a democratic deficit in the UK, where many Scots believe that their votes do no matter for much. Indeed, if you observe the results of election from the last 35 years or so you will notice that the Scottish vote did not make any difference to the outcome. Now this raises the question of what Scotland is within the UK? A region, or a nation (with a big n).

All in all this is shaping up to be an interesting referendum, and Alex Salmond is probably the most capable politician in the UK at the moment. And although a No vote has the lead just now, if you observe the trajectory of votes in recent polls over the last couple of months you will notice the massive rise in the Yes votes, and this is even before the Scottish National Party's blitzkrieg starting

The similarities with the situation between Somalia and Somaliland astounding!

[gurey25]

The similarities with the situation between Somalia and Somaliland astounding!

There are zero similarities.

1. Scotland is 10% the population ~ of the UK, Somaliland is 1/3 of the ex Somali republic
2. Scotland is economically linked to the rest of the UK and to london, while somaliland has never had any real links to moqadishu econimically
3. Scotland is part of a functioning prosperous powerful state, while somaliland separated from a failed state
4 and finally only 30 to 40% of scots would support independence while in somaliland if you include the isaaq alone you already have at least 66% for independence and with majority of gadabursi support and 20% harti voting yes in a referndrum you will have more than 85% for independence,.

[Ben Dover]

[quote="gurey25"][quote="Ben Dover"]The similarities with the situation between Somalia and Somaliland astounding![/quote]

There are zero similarities.

1. Scotland is 10% the population ~ of the UK, Somaliland is 1/3 of the ex Somali republic
2. Scotland is economically linked to the rest of the UK and to london, while somaliland has never had any real links to moqadishu econimically
3. Scotland is part of a functioning prosperous powerful state, while somaliland separated from a failed state
4 and finally only 30 to 40% of scots would support independence while in somaliland if you include the isaaq alone you already have at least 66% for independence and with majority of gadabursi support and 20% harti voting yes in a referndrum you will have more than 85% for independence,.[/quote]

I was alluding to the motives and geopolitical situation really. We have a north/south union where the south fully controls said union causing a democratic deficit alienating northerners. Northerners here happen to be resource rich as oil happens to be primarily located north in both instances. Scotland has a little over the Somaliland population with a bit less of the land. Having strong economic links in the case of England/Scotland stems from a longer union thats all.

[Khalid Ali]

scotland should remain with the United Kingdom Universities are free in Scotland Scotland has gained so much from the 300 year union with England , Scotland will be meaningless in the EU if it goes it alone. Scots have shaped the political and image of Britons as whole from inventors to sailors to high elites politicians Both the First RULER of Scotland and England James the Fifth And charles the First were Scots Scots have benefited from the United Kingdom