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Dark Matter & Dark Energy

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So I've been away on training in the past few days, and attended some wonderful and intriguing lectures on nuclear & particle physics. Most of the training was teaching-related and not blow-your-socks-off physics, but there was some of that, so I thought I'll share it with you in the interest of enhancing our collective knowledge. Apart from all the smaller fundamental particles newer than the neutrino discovery and the antimatter particles, I learnt about Supersymmetry (aka SUSY)* and the predicament that particle physicists are currently facing.

1) LHC is failing to provide evidence to support the SUSY theory*

2) The String Theory (how long is a piece of string? *troll face*) is also kinda crap because it leads to the Multiverse theory, saying there are roughly 10^500 universes and only ours is the Goldilocks one which is tweaked perfectly enough to sustain life

3) The LHC is also facing problems in that it has not discovered the illusive, mysterious Dark Matter - think of this as the perfect Somali husband; girls & ladies alike (depends which stage they're at in the mental/emotional development) calculate infinite probabilities and scenarios of his traits and behaviour, to no avail. We know he exists out there somewhere because all of us (for Dark Matter this is all visible matter) could not exist without it. All we know is that it's important, very dense (take that to mean whatever you like Image) non-EM spectrum particle (i.e. not a photon). It's also important in maintaining the accelarated expansion of the visible parts of the universe (read that as: the motivator for rapid development amongst the Xalimos) in that it accounts for the "missing mass" to explain their expansion (what is the universe expanding into? Or where are the Xalimos going with this rapid development?). I love Dark Matter and Dark Energy. We have a joke in th eworld of Physics - anything you know nothing about is Dark. Endless jokes (!) Image

4) Finally, there are too many constants that have to be just-so in Physics (e.g/ Planck's constant, electron mass, speed of light, gravity, etc) which are all simply too perfect & fine tuned. An analogy is as if all humans were balanced on a scale held by a hair strand... simply impossible to fathom (un-bettable odds of 10^17?!). This is what Physicists term Naturalness - too much bloody fine-tuning that code, trigonometry & algebra fail to explain.

In light of all of that LHC failure (harsh word!) particle physics may just die out or they would have to run around in circles, and drive people like me crazy by changing everything we've been teaching kids since time began. Remember that feeling when Pluto was deemed no longer a planet? Sidaan u qalbi-jabay garan maysid. Multiply that disgusting feeling of a childhood lost by 600. Muraar dillaac...

What if, though, particle physicists just admit that maybe, maybe they don't have all the answers. If all the visible universe is composed of less than 5% of the perceived universe, and within that our planet and everything inside it is a pathetically small 0.000000001% (Dark Matter & Energy combined = more than 95%) then how the hell can you try understand something so big? That's too big a giant leap for mankind. Before they dismiss this, mayb-maybe, erm, er.., umm, God involved? It's not that ridiculous, because by their calculations, the nucleus inside the sperm should be able to investigate and examine remnants of genetic codes left from his owner's 100th (or more) ansestor. I'm talking about light years here, so I'm being a bit generous with the numbers (could be 100,000th ancestor?!)

In general, this was a sharing exercise, so let me know what your thoughts are.

Notes:
*SUSY: in CERN, particle physisicts were kinda puzzled why the Higgs-Boson & other significant particles showed up as "light" disturbances on the Higgs field** inside the Large Hadron Collider (LHC) , when the calculations of their mass-energy and collisions suggested that they should be much lager. SUSY is a theory that gives each typical particle from the Standard Particle Model (y'all know these, protons, neutrons, electrons, and smaller/larger fundamental ones in the realm of quarks)

**Higg's Field: the field where all particles are shooting through within the LHC cylinders. It's made by the largest & most powerful superconducting magnets, operating at near-space temperatures of -271 degrees Celcius.
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Have you read Lee Smolin's book on quantum gravity?
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You didn't write this nor did you attend a Nuclear Physics lecture
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This is quarks territory me thinks

I watched a documentary on quantum mechanics and string theory once
It's mind boggling stuff.They were going on about particles been in one place and somewhere else at the same time.Or maybe even not been in either places

Madax Xanuun baa laga qaadayaa lol
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LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL


R u kidding me? U watched a Documentary on Youtube--and u tell us u were in a lecture??? LOOOOL Besides-- how can your lil qabil loving brain get into all this neutron physics? Come now--u and elitesomali need to go dhuusoo-- on the corner please, or I will start dancing Amazonian dance on the grave of the charlatan Saado ali. :dj:
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YummyMummy wrote:In general, this was a sharing exercise, so let me know what your thoughts are.
I think only jinns can teach me about dark matters :)
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eliteSomali wrote:Have you read Lee Smolin's book on quantum gravity?
No, haven't given much thought to Quantum Physics beyond what I teach prior to this lecture, and actually an even better, earlier lecture I attended at the University of Kent 3wks ago.
Thuganomics wrote:This is quarks territory me thinks

I watched a documentary on quantum mechanics and string theory once
It's mind boggling stuff.They were going on about particles been in one place and somewhere else at the same time.Or maybe even not been in either places
Madax Xanuun baa laga qaadayaa lol

I agree 100%, it's kind of the reason why I always used to avoid it. You need someone to explain it to you in simple, everyday terms and build on from there, but it's so difficult to find particle physicists who can step away from their phD & post-doc research bubble and explain it to us lowly beings in a way we can understand. The one by the woman was much better imo (Dr. Veronica Sanz, from Univeristy of Sussex, "The Dark Side of the Universe"). No videos online though Image
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YummyMummy wrote:In general, this was a sharing exercise, so let me know what your thoughts are.
I think only jinns can teach me about dark matters :)
The first lecture on this I attended, I also thought the same. The properties the lady described and that they were waiting but failing (separate experiment) for "dark matter particles" to collide with their protons deep underground, made me think about Jinns too. Allah & the Prophet's xadeeth have told us that Jinns are far greater in number, mightier and that they see us from where we don't see them (i.e. they're invisible). Then again xadeeth tells us that Ibliis' throne is on water, hence not space (vacuum)?! But Allah talks about vacuum and all the astral (universe) bodies as if they're swimming in a "falak" (their orbits/fields). Serious speculation here, but maybe the falak = Dark Energy (this has the properties of a fluid, whereas Dark Matter = solid particles).

Advance warning: All of this is conjecture & discussion, so don't fall into fitna peeps by believing what I'm saying, I don't know any better than you, I'm just thinking out loud. I am innocent of any wacko or misleading ideas that your brains come up with.

GrandpaKhalif, Adali & Basra: thank you for the added hilarious gifs & patronising comments, this wouldn't quite be a SNet thread without it Image
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You have to teach extreme physics to primary school kids? Which school is this so I can enrol my kids
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you have to do practical physics at an advanced level to understand it completely.

For me, i love classical physics
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thehappyone wrote:You have to teach extreme physics to primary school kids? Which school is this so I can enrol my kids
I teach students that are 2-3yrs younger than you, not primary level.
Put your kids on hold; I gotta train & prep extra hard to enthuse Somali kids into this.
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Is the stuff they talk about at the big bang theory?
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YummyMummy wrote:
thehappyone wrote:You have to teach extreme physics to primary school kids? Which school is this so I can enrol my kids
I teach students that are 2-3yrs younger than you, not primary level.
Put your kids on hold; I gotta train & prep extra hard to enthuse Somali kids into this.
The fuck. How young do you think I am.
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HooBariiska wrote:Is the stuff they talk about at the big bang theory?
Yes. All visible matter (us & the universe we see around us) is the 5% that was formed from & after the Big Bang, but Dark Matter & Energy were there much earlier apparently.
(more unsafe conjecture): Jinns were created before us and they owned the world, except they fought so much & created so much bloodshed that Allah chose to create us instead. But the Angels, having witnessed this bloodshed & been involved in the cleaning process, were hesitant as to why Allah is creating other dudes (us) with free spirit, when the Angels are far superior in their cibaadah of Allah.



Y'all I've decided to stop this conjecture and speculation, I feel it's borderline xaraam & I don't wanna throw myself or you into shirk (small or big). No more links to the deen more than what is already here.
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YummyMummy wrote:
thehappyone wrote:You have to teach extreme physics to primary school kids? Which school is this so I can enrol my kids
I teach students that are 2-3yrs younger than you, not primary level.
Put your kids on hold; I gotta train & prep extra hard to enthuse Somali kids into this.
The fuck. How young do you think I am.
Around Jeffo & Marques' age? If so I'm actually slightly off, I should have said 6yrs younger than you minimum.
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Re: Dark Matter & Dark Energy

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yummy

did you study physics at Uni

if now then what you learn gurl
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