The ancient Chinese ppl were Muslims(Monotheist)

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The ancient Chinese ppl were Muslims(Monotheist)

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Since the beginning, there was prophets all over the place preaching to every single nation there is only one God, and worship him. things have not changed!

Many of them didn't have a written language, but the Chinese had a written language, so they recorded many things way back in 5-6000 years ago. the Chinese were Monotheist(for like 4000 years)

Here I will briefly discuss Monotheism in early China. "Monotheism" is sometimes considered to be solely a Western concept, but in reality, existed in many high cultures in all parts of the world.

For thousands of years, the state religion of China was "heaven worship". This religious belief predates Taoism and Confucianism by thousands of years.

Heaven worship centers around a non-corporeal entity called "Shangdi" (上帝 lit. "the Emperor of Heaven"), an omnipotent, just, and monotheistic supreme being. The ceremony of heaven worship initially forbade idolatry, but required sacrifices at temples, such as the Temple of Heaven in Beijing. During the Warring States period, heaven worship became associated with the veneration of ancestors, with ancestors or famous figures being able to intercede to Heaven as "a medium" between heaven and man. The Emperor was important to Ancestor Worship, as he and his House were thought to be ordained by Heaven; the convergence of the spiritual and royal principles were intertwined in the mortal person of the emperor, and his legitimacy as a ruler was tied to ritual propriety and subject to the approval of heaven. loods and famines were regarded as disapproval of heaven.

Heaven Worship predated Confucius by eighteen centuries (and even Confucius was said to have transmitted ethical precepts, and not have "invented" a new religion), and the importation of Buddhism by over two millenia. In those rites the authority of a single God (to which we equate "monotheism" and "tawhid") and worshipping this God was clearly established, worship of One God as supreme is distinctly set forth as a “customary service,” thereby implying that it was already long established. Only later records mention inferior deities, which arose as a deviation, perhaps from contact with the so-called "barbarians" of the South who imparted this "telluric" element into the ancient faith of Chinese monotheism.

The noted Sinologist James Legge claimed, “Five thousand years ago the Chinese were monotheists—not henotheists, but monotheists” ("Confucianism and Taoism described and compared with Christianity"). The Syriac Christians, as well as their later counterparts from the Catholic Church, saw similarities between Shangdi/Tian and the Abrahamic God, and therefore rendered the name for the Christia "God" as "Shangdi" in Chinese. Some Chinese Christian scholars assert that the Christian God and the Chinese Shangdi are in fact the same entity.



the funny thing is they call this ''Temple of heaven'' they build this in tribute to Shang di(God) even thou they are mushirks now, they some how also worship shang di.
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But u r an atheist--does it really matter the hubris about Monotheism? :dj:
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Basra- wrote:Transporter

But u r an atheist--does it really matter the hubris about Monotheism? :dj:
I'm not an atheist, but do I come off like an atheist? :lol: :lol:
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Why do you consider them as "muslims". Islam began 1430 years ago
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visious wrote:Why do you consider them as "muslims". Islam began 1430 years ago
Muslims means: Those who have submitted (to God)

Islam: Submission (to god)

So when the Quran says or hadith he was a Muslim even before islam, it just means he submitted to God..
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This is a Must watch Video.....


Note: He never says the New tastement but only the god of the old tastement ( Torah) which dosen't believe in trinity just like us muslims)
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Re: The ancient Chinese ppl were Muslims(Monotheist)

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visious wrote:Why do you consider them as "muslims". Islam began 1430 years ago
It's basic Islamic knowledge that the message of Islam started with prophet Adam (pbuh). All the prophets and messengers of Allah were Muslims.
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"Abraham was neither a Jew nor a Christian, but he was one inclining toward truth, a Muslim [submitting to Allah ]. And he was not of the polytheists."
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is dis why some abgaal look chinese :?
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Both of you guys need a better understanding of Chinese spirituality.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Islam_in_China

"The history of Islam in China began when four Ṣaḥābā—Sa‘d ibn Abī Waqqās (594–674), Ja'far ibn Abi Talib, and Jahsh preached in 616/17 and onwards in China after coming from Chittagong-Kamrup-Manipur route after sailing from Abyssinia in 615/16. Sa‘d ibn Abi Waqqas again headed for China for the third time in 650–51 after Caliph ‘Uthman asked him to lead an embassy to China, which the Chinese emperor received warmly.[1]"

The Huaisheng Mosque is one of the oldest mosques in the world, traditionally believed to have been built by Muhammad's uncle, Sa`d ibn Abi Waqqas, in the 7th century. Islam has been present in China for over 1400 years, but is not a dominant religion there.

http://www.travelchinaguide.com/intro/religion/

The Chinese have multiple religious traditions, usually incorporating ancestors. The worship of Shang-di was essentially an imperial cult and never a popular religion. Shangdi was seen as the distant ruler of a pantheon of lesser gods, who were the ones actually worshiped by the people. It was not a monotheistic religion.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shangdi
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