next potential pm will be more secure than president!

[sahal80]

Diplomatically, In the long term, the current pm staying was better for this president but this seems politically impossible and has gotten too personal

This because both of them are kind of a wounded men where each one cares about the situation...

But in the case of flawless pm resuming office, he will be more secure than the wounded president who already had a warning!

In case you don't know, the disagreement between the president and pm goes back to after he got the parliaments approval, the pm has changed quickly his mind and told him "I'm sorry I can't appoint any minister from my prediccessors cabinet"!!

President was kinda wtf, then he had a meeting with his close circles talking about no-confidence vote on his supposed cabinet

But the pms acquaintances in his circles have calm down the situation and pm was saying he has made some consultations with the mps and its them who suggested this and I have fears of the cabinet not getting approval so he suggested to make up with the parliament first...lol

Anyways they got the approval

Ironically the same pm fights now hard to avoid the parliament and still calls for reaching an agreement!!!!

Anyways the westren diplomats knew their inner problems so the pm is not innocent otherwise the US wouldn't have boycotted the copenhegan conference in the presence of his govt!

Its a fail for him too and even a pressure on him!

People now would thing that there's no govt hence the change!

Now how can this president avoid the next guy being more securer than him?

President has being seen as "xaraki", means working as a group so he puts his groups interests before the rest

Therefore, the next pm will have more westren backing(its about the trust), that he may deliver what the president couldn't

So what should the president now do?

Firstly, to put things back on track, he needs badly to come up with a more influential pm, it will work diplomatically

However he's dangerous on his westren relations(the pm being more securer this time!)

And if he picks an unknown and less educated pm(so can keep him inside) it will not work diplomatically!

I guess this issue is very sensitive and dictates his fate so he should take his time and not depend upon available options!

Putting himself first, choising some one who share interests with and play the china card!

[barbarossa]

Sahal, has that hefty twenty thousand dollar donation check pledged by the Mighty Chinese now become so significant in the minds of Damuljadid and its supporters, that it now serves as the very pinnacle of H.Sheikh's presidency?

[MaydhMax]

hopefully yuulka will be disposed with and the next pm will not be from the lowly jeberti clan. i would be delighted if hassan has the balls to name even a pm from hisn own hawiye clan if it meant having a good working relationship

[Substance]

Dont think there will be another PM under Hassan. If he cant work with Abdiweli, he should resign.

[BlackRain]

Latest news have it that both of them work together and do fresh voting in 2016. Yuulka isn't going nowhere, now that he knows the U.S and the intenational community is with him

[original dervish]

Hassan Sheikh has proved himself to be totally inept when it comes to politics.
The strange thing is that Sahal would have us believe this smiling buffoon is a later day Machiavelli.

[sahal80]

Sahal, has that hefty twenty thousand dollar donation check pledged by the Mighty Chinese now become so significant in the minds of Damuljadid and its supporters, that it now serves as the very pinnacle of H.Sheikh's presidency?

Lol I knew some one would say this but not al ustad barbarosa!

Firstly that money was not for the govt rather for the flood effected families and warsame has paid it from his pocket as a brother, govt just received it on behalf of these families

Secondly politics and interests r mixed, the biggest motive of the wests(uk,norway, holland) involvement in somalia except for the US is based on interests and this includes confronting china

Who knows if the partial lifting of the arms embargo has to do some thing with their interests!
How the House of Lords Mixes Politics and Business - WSJ - WSJ http://online.wsj.com/articles/how-the- ... 1415693056
That draft was made by the uk!

Yes this govt is not in the position of getting allied with other big powers when its protected by the west but she's able to sign deals

China, norway and france were pro-enclaves so they can sign regional deals but the uks policy of making the govt as the only gate for such deals have made them to send ambassadors to mogadishu, the last one was france

Its not about cancelling and making new deals rather sending messages by cooperating with china.

President hassan had a somali project but it looks like that the project has failed or will fail because of his advisors

He got traped by ethiopia, a week ago when he was there they assured him of being on his side and that he should reject the westren pressure and nick kay

Reason is they want to fock up his westren relations, the same people who use stop them and IGAD whenever he couldn't!

Then after he loses the west they will throw him!

Are advising him to appoint a pro- ethiopian pm who's believed to be her future presidential candidate!!

He's heading to the worst bc without the wests backing you have no real friends

Btw ethiopia dislikes nick kay bc he represents the IC and they want somalia to stay under IGAD!.

Why then hassan hasnt reconcil with his pm instead of losing the west?

Bc their real conflict is over the resources, this conflict has other branches but the root is a fight over the resources

I will reveal this issue in the next thread.

[original dervish]

Sahal......why is it so difficult to form a unity govt?
Surely Somalia is stronger if we speak with one voice.

Instead Hassan Sheikh thought he was king....and began to dictate to the country.

[sahal80]

Sahal......why is it so difficult to form a unity govt?
Surely Somalia is stronger if we speak with one voice.

Instead Hassan Sheikh thought he was king....and began to dictate to the country.

Its easy to blame the govt but the fact is that all somali politicians believe only in zero-sum game and consolidating themselves with the regional countries

Its hard to have a unity govt bc the regional countries r against this, they want to keep the status quo

During the crisis, some camp have used a regional country so they can stop some politicians who were trying to help the other camp diplomatically

Its a fd up country!.

[barbarossa]

Sahal......why is it so difficult to form a unity govt?
Surely Somalia is stronger if we speak with one voice.

Instead Hassan Sheikh thought he was king....and began to dictate to the country.

Its easy to blame the govt but the fact is that all somali politicians believe only in zero-sum game and consolidating themselves with the regional countries

Its hard to have a unity govt bc the regional countries r against this, they want to keep the status quo

During the crisis, some camp have used a regional country so they can stop some politicians who were trying to help the other camp diplomatically

Its a fd up country!.

Sahal, afkaaga caano lagu qabay! What is it exactly that ailing Somalia? You have summed it all up in a single five-word sentence.

[sahal80]

Thanks ustaadna, may allah help us