Somali 16th century tribes

[anzeloti]

Ogaden?
Digil iyo Mirifle ?

[QaxootiWaaxid]

they are non-Somali Oromo people that became Somalized. even this map proves this, look where Ogaden and Digil iyo Mirifle live today on the map, Tana Oromo and Arsi Oromo etc

[Sophisticate]

There was no such thing as Gadabursi or Cisse on there - unless Adal is a tribe.

[anzeloti]

they are non-Somali Oromo people that became Somalized. even this map proves this, look where Ogaden and Digil iyo Mirifle live today on the map, Tana Oromo and Arsi Oromo etc

Both have similar daqan of submit and succumb which is not a Somali daqan at all your theory may be correct sxb

[JamalAddow]

Ogaden were the rulers of Adal and did not venture south yet. Digil iyo Mirifile were under Ajuran, Silcis and later on the Geledi Sultanates

[Sophisticate]

^^^
What planet are you from? They do not share Zeylaci culture, nor did they live in that part of the galbeed.

[LobsterUnit]

they are non-Somali Oromo people that became Somalized. even this map proves this, look where Ogaden and Digil iyo Mirifle live today on the map, Tana Oromo and Arsi Oromo etc

Nonsense..the somalis did not come into contact with the expanding oromo until the 16th century.there are oral traditions from both sides indicating that darood and rahanweyn clans fought brutal wars with the oromos on the oromo-somali frontier. Th digil and mirifle are not somalized oromos nor are the ogaden. If the oromos did not star war with the somalis until the 16th century and we find that ogaden and marehan were fighting oromos 2 centuries later, when did ogaden turn into a somali clan.?the somali clans, with the exception of marehan and ogaden, have largely settled in the same areas and their movement has not been that dramatic nor have they absorped any other ethnic groups in large enough numbers. Secondly, the dialect of the digir and mirifle is far too old and different from the oromo language for them to have shared a similar origin.it is almost impossible for a dialect (some may say language) to develop that quickly.as for the map, one assumes the ogaden were settled further north within the other darood clans and that the digir and mirifle were under the ajuuraan sultanate.

[JamalAddow]

I know this is a large pill to swallow but Dir had no part in Adal sultanate other than being the footsoldiers.

Ogaden were the Sultans, Marehan and Karanle Hawiye the generals, Harti, Hararis and Habr Magaadle the archers and horsemen.

But as a consolation prize Dir has always been known as the father of Somalis. Even though you guys have a middle-eastern ancestry.

[Sophisticate]

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No such thing unless you are talking about Puntland or South Central Somalia. Also, the tribe known as Dir live there. "Dir" is a fallacious aggregate that is erroneously applied to people of the north. If you are from the north, you don't call the inhabitants "Dir." Nor have the people that lived there historically identified themselves as such. People use clan names i.e. Gadabursi and Cisse. You are only indicating your bias and misinformation, that's all. They (Ogaden) did not seem to be given mention in Adal. There certainly isn't any remnants of their "mark" on the Sultanate either. End of story.

[zumaale]

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No such thing unless you are talking about Puntland or South Central Somalia. Also, the tribe known as Dir live there. "Dir" is a fallacious aggregate that is erroneously applied to people of the north. If you are from the north, you don't call the inhabitants "Dir." Nor have the people that lived there historically identified themselves as such. People use clan names i.e. Gadabursi and Cisse. You are only indicating your bias and misinformation, that's all. They (Ogaden) did not seem to be given mention in Adal. There certainly isn't any remnants of their "mark" on the Sultanate either. End of story.

The Dir in Central Somalia are Surre, it is just that the Dir name has stuck with us due to our proselytising activities in the Middle Ages. When the Sheikhs came from Northern Somalia no one was familiar with a Surre subclan in South Central Somalia that is how the Dir Faqi label got stuck on us. Our ancestors are buried in Sanaag and the Lafarug are of Northern Somalia and we alone cannot claim the Dir name. The other Northern Dir clans had no need to identify themselves as Dir as they were in a predominately Dir area and were recognised by their respective subclans. That does not mean we are any more Dir than them and Somali Oral history and Abtiris testify to who Dir is and isn't.

[JamalAddow]

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No such thing unless you are talking about Puntland or South Central Somalia. Also, the tribe known as Dir live there. "Dir" is a fallacious aggregate that is erroneously applied to people of the north. If you are from the north, you don't call the inhabitants "Dir." Nor have the people that lived there historically identified themselves as such. People use clan names i.e. Gadabursi and Cisse. You are only indicating your bias and misinformation, that's all. They (Ogaden) did not seem to be given mention in Adal. There certainly isn't any remnants of their "mark" on the Sultanate either. End of story.

It seems they weren't lying when they said Gadabursi were the most educated Somali clan.

Dir is a real clan, its the same when an MJ in Puntland has to say Cisman or Cumar maxamud, and say Darod in Jigjiga.

[zumaale]

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No such thing unless you are talking about Puntland or South Central Somalia. Also, the tribe known as Dir live there. "Dir" is a fallacious aggregate that is erroneously applied to people of the north. If you are from the north, you don't call the inhabitants "Dir." Nor have the people that lived there historically identified themselves as such. People use clan names i.e. Gadabursi and Cisse. You are only indicating your bias and misinformation, that's all. They (Ogaden) did not seem to be given mention in Adal. There certainly isn't any remnants of their "mark" on the Sultanate either. End of story.

It seems they weren't lying when they said Gadabursi were the most educated Somali clan.

Dir is a real clan, its the same when an MJ in Puntland has to say Cisman or Cumar maxamud, and say Darod in Jigjiga.

Jamal, we are not the Fathers of Somalis nor are we of Middle Eastern origin. We are the eldest son of Irir and were the original head of the Somalis until the wars against the Gaal Madoow and Habashas took its toll on us as we bore the brunt of it. Eventually we became a victim of our own numbers and success. We splintered as a result and there was no need to rally under a Dir banner apart from the scattered Surre scholarly subclans. The Digil and Mirifle for instance draw a lot of their numbers from ancient Dir clans. Ask a Jiido or Quranyow Garre for his Abtiris and you will see what I mean.

Soph is right when she states that in the North no one firstly identifies as being Dir but the elders and the ones familiar with their historical origins/Abtiris are aware of their Dir origin.

[BlueBlood]

Suaasha waxey tahay ogaden yaa somali ka dhigay marka...oo boqol sano ku islaamiyay luqada oromadana ilowsiiyay?

wax caqli gal ah la soo suuq taga...it takes thousands of years to lose ethnic identities

[Lancer]

Somalization of the Oromos! That throws the myth of somalis being ethnically pure out the window. We have Sheegatos amongst us ! BTW Isaaqs ruled Adal

[thehappyone]

Who is Ajuran, I thought ajuran empire was on the coast