union 1960 was scheduled before the independence!

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union 1960 was scheduled before the independence!

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The union was an international recommendation and a somali-driven

"Referendums
In 1958, on the eve of neighboring Somalia's independence in 1960, a referendum was held in Djibouti to decide whether or not to join the Somali Republic or to remain with France. The referendum turned out in favour of a continued association with France, partly due to a combined yes vote by the sizable Afar ethnic group and resident Europeans.[19] There was also reports of widespread vote rigging, with the French expelling thousands of Somalis before the referendum reached the polls.[20] The majority of those who voted no were Somalis who were strongly in favour of joining a united Somalia as had been proposed by Mahmoud Harbi, Vice President of the Government Council. Harbi died in a plane crash two years later under mysterious circumstances.[19][21]

In 1960, with the fall of the ruling Dini administration, Ali Aref Bourhan, a Harbist politician, assumed the seat of Vice President of the Government Council of French Somaliland, representing the UNI party.[22][23] He would hold that position until 1966.

That same year, France rejected the United Nations' recommendation that it should grant French Somaliland independence. In August, an official visit to the territory by then French President, General Charles de Gaulle, was also met with demonstrations and rioting.[24][25] In response to the protests, de Gaulle ordered another referendum.[25]"





Britain had history in the whole of somalia, italy did too

For britain, jubbaland was part of her east african protectorate until 1925

Then it administered the south in 8 years until the trusteeship that why you see a lot of somali police officers who speak english like siyaad barre

In my understanding, britain wanted to have somalia all together, they even promised to SYL to return NFD and hawd if they vote for britain instead of the return of italy in the trusteeship

When the trust 10 years were about to end, britain had given independence to the north so that they can unite with "their southren brethern"


Its clear that british had no interests in the north unlike of east africa where their tea comes from

Look how france has sticked with djibouti to the end, it has forced the ciise by changing the name from french somaliland to iisa and afar territory

Afars have voted against djibouti independence in 1960-60s

This has had given france the reason to stay against the UN calls

Trust Territory of Somalia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trust_Te ... of_Somalia

"In May 1960, the British government stated that it would be prepared to grant independence to the then protectorate of British Somaliland, with the intention that the territory would unite with the Italian-administered Trust Territory of Somalia (the former Italian Somaliland). The Legislative Council of British Somaliland passed a resolution in April 1960 requesting independence and union with the Trust Territory of Somalia, which was scheduled to gain independence on 1 July that year. The legislative councils of both territories agreed to this proposal following a joint conference in Mogadishu.[2]"

On June 26, 1960, the forme
State of Somaliland - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_of_Somaliland

This is wrong title, there were no such thing in the south as somalia rather italian somaliland succeeded by the trust territory administration

Somalia appeared as one independent country-union-

Nevertheless, the northern parliament has voted for a union in the same day of their independence!!

In other sources, it was a vote for independence from britain and union with the south!!

http://www.somalilandlaw.com/Somaliland ... _Union.htm
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Re: union 1960 was scheduled before the independence!

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There was no legal union. If you oppose this fact you should present documents proving the union between Somaliland and Somalia.
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Re: union 1960 was scheduled before the independence!

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I'm not here for the sake of arguing sxb

I'm talking about the international/britain views that was suppoting the somali aspiration from djibouti to NFD

It looks like that britain has contributed to the somalia unionist trend in order to replace italy in the south and manage the whole country

From videos I watched, it didn't get a local help in the south as raxanwayn and cadcads were even calling to stay under the italian trusteeship in 30 years!

SYL though getting freedom under britain it had no strategic vision

As a result of this britain had given back ogaden/hawd to ethiopia!
http://countrystudies.us/somalia/13.htm
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Re: union 1960 was scheduled before the independence!

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The idea of Somaliweyn was pushed by the British foreign minister. Somaliweyn for them meant uniting Somaliland, Somalia and Hararghe (The original Somali region including Harar, Dirdhaba and parts of Bale). They had their own plans for NFD and that lead to the diplomatic crisis between the Somali republic and Great Britain in 1961. The crisis was a precursor to the Shifta wars.

The British were not sincere and their plans were part of their agenda of strengthening their position in the world which is why the Americans and Soviets opposed their "Somaliweyn" plans.
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Re: union 1960 was scheduled before the independence!

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Thanks sxb

just watched a video stating all these informations

Former ambassador Mohamed ali kiimiko keydmedia dhacdo ogub ah.
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