Halal slaughter should become more humane

[AbdiJohnson]

I think you should stun the animal before you kill it. Cutting off a goat's head with a small blade and having it suffer for 10-20 seconds is not acceptable. It takes minutes for cow slaughter. This is probably the most extreme and painful way an animal is killed.

I am,

Abdi "There should be change" Johnson

[LiquidHYDROGEN]

Don't you have more productive things to do with your time? For a person who hates Somalis and Islam, all you ever do is talk about them. It's Friday night, surely there's one gay club open?

[TheMailMan]

I think you should stun the animal before you kill it. Cutting off a goat's head with a small blade and having it suffer for 10-20 seconds is not acceptable. It takes minutes for cow slaughter. This is probably the most extreme and painful way an animal is killed.

I am,

Abdi "There should be change" Johnson

Lol you know nothing about halaal slaughter at all.

It's a very humane form of execution, designed to give the least amount of pain to the animal

[TheGrumpyGeeljire]

I think you should stun the animal before you kill it. Cutting off a goat's head with a small blade and having it suffer for 10-20 seconds is not acceptable. It takes minutes for cow slaughter. This is probably the most extreme and painful way an animal is killed.

I am,

Abdi "There should be change" Johnson

Hope this helps!

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source:
http://www.mustaqim.co.uk/halal.htm

Islamic Halal slaughter has increasingly come under attack from animal rights activists telling tales of barbaric blood-thirsty ritual slaughter. There are two distinct issues: there is the vegetarian agenda which wants to ban all consumption of animal products, and there is the animal rights lobby which argues for a humane method of slaughter.


Do animals have rights?

The vegetarian argument is that killing animals for the benefit of humans is cruel and an infringement of their rights. They put both on the same level without conceding any superiority to humans over animals. This argument is seriously flawed, because if animals had rights comparable to those of humans, they must also have equivalent duties. In other words, we must be able to blame them and punish them if they violate the rights of others. It is absurd that it should be considered a crime for humans to kill a sheep, but natural for a lion to do so. The problem stems from a misconception of the role of human life within the animal kingdom: a denial of purposeful creation within a clearly defined hierarchy degrades humans to the level of any other creature. Yet even then, the argument is illogical: Why should plants, for example, be denied the same protection from a violation of the sanctity of their life?


Is Islamic slaughter cruel?

The question of how an animal should be slaughtered to avoid cruelty is a different one. It is true that when the blood flows from the throat of an animal it looks violent, but just because meat is now bought neatly and hygienically packaged on supermarket shelves does not mean the animal didn’t have to die? Non-Islamic slaughter methods dictate that the animal should be rendered unconscious before slaughter. This is usually achieved by stunning or electrocution. Is it less painful to shoot a bolt into a sheep’s brain or to ring a chicken’s neck than to slit its throat? To watch the procedure does not objectively tell us what the animal feels.


The scientific facts

A team at the university of Hannover in Germany examined these claims through the use of EEG and ECG records during slaughter. Several electrodes were surgically implanted at various points of the skull of all the animals used in the experiment and they were then allowed to recover for several weeks. Some of the animals were subsequently slaughtered the halal way by making a swift, deep incision with a sharp knife on the neck, cutting the jugular veins and carotid arteries of both sides together with the trachea and esophagus but leaving the spinal cord intact. The remainder were stunned before slaughter using a captive bolt pistol method as is customary in Western slaughterhouses. The EEG and ECG recordings allowed to monitor the condition of the brain and heart throughout.


The Halal method

With the halal method of slaughter, there was not change in the EEG graph for the first three seconds after the incision was made, indicating that the animal did not feel any pain from the cut itself. This is not surprising. Often, if we cut ourselves with a sharp implement, we do not notice until some time later. The following three seconds were characterised by a condition of deep sleep-like unconciousness brought about by the draining of large quantities of blood from the body. Thereafter the EEG recorded a zero reading, indicating no pain at all, yet at that time the heart was still beating and the body convulsing vigorously as a reflex reaction of the spinal cord. It is this phase which is most unpleasant to onlookers who are falsely convinced that the animal suffers whilst its brain does actually no longer record any sensual messages.


The Western method

Using the Western method, the animals were apparently unconscious after stunning, and this method of dispatch would appear to be much more peaceful for the onlooker. However, the EEG readings indicated severe pain immediately after stunning. Whereas in the first example, the animal ceases to feel pain due to the brain starvation of blood and oxygen – a brain death, to put it in laymen’s terms – the second example first causes a stoppage of the heart whilst the animal still feels pain. However, there are no unsightly convulsions, which not only means that there is more blood retention in the meat, but also that this method lends itself much more conveniently to the efficiency demands of modern mass slaughter procedures. It is so much easier to dispatch an animal on the conveyor belt, if it does not move.


Appearances can deceive

Not all is what it seems, then. Those who want to outlaw Islamic slaughter, arguing for a humane method of killing animals for food, are actually more concerned about the feelings of people than those of the animals on whose behalf they appear to speak. The stunning method makes mass butchery easier and looks more palatable for the consumer who can deceive himself that the animal did not feel any pain when he goes to buy his cleanly wrapped parcel of meat from the supermarket. Islamic slaughter, on the other hand, does not try to deny that meat consumption means that animals have to die, but is designed to ensure that their loss of life is achieved with a minimum amount of pain.


The holistic view

Islam is a balanced way of life. For Muslims, the privilege of supplementing their diet with animal protein implies a duty to animal welfare, both during the rearing of the animal and during the slaughter. Modern Western farming and slaughter, on the other hand, aims at the mass consumer market and treats the animal as a commodity. Just as battery hens are easier for large-scale egg production, Western slaughter methods are easier for the meat industry, but they do neither the animal nor the end consumer any favours. The Islamic way guarantees a healthier life for the animal and a healthier meat for the consumer.][/quote]

[TheGrumpyGeeljire]

oops double post.

[LilEmperor]

That is why I quit eating beef and chicken, no matter how it meets its demise for human food consumption. There's always pain involved.


Fish is my only source of protein now, people who only eat fish are known to be less cruel.

[TheMailMan]

That is why I quit eating beef and chicken, no matter how it meets its demise for human food consumption. There's always pain involved.


Fish is my only source of protein now, people who only eat fish are known to be less cruel.

So you quit eating meat, you promote homosexuality in Somalia, and you make threads about eating ass? Is this the kind of person you are?

You're something else, I don't know what to do with you.

Let me guess, you're an Adoon-loving Atheist as well?

[Cherine]

Don't you have more productive things to do with your time? For a person who hates Somalis and Islam, all you ever do is talk about them. It's Friday night, surely there's one gay club open?

Apparently he's made a thread lamenting how no one wants him.

[AgentOfChaos]

Halal is actually more humane than....oh god.....oh god....now I remember a documentary about western slaughter houses...oh shit there goes my appetite.

[TheMailMan]

Halal is actually more humane than....oh god.....oh god....now I remember a documentary about western slaughter houses...oh shit there goes my appetite.

Abdi Johnson will have no problem visiting a Denny's or a Burger King, and he ignores some of the downright immoral things that occur in Western slaughterhouses.

Yet he has the nerve to complain that Halal slaughter is inhumane.

Where does he get his facts?

[AgentOfChaos]

Where does he get his facts?

From the singularity that which is absence of space-time or coherence within the black hole he calls his ass.

[original dervish]

It took over an hour to execute a man recently.......forget about the cuddly bovine.

[nord]

Well you clearly haven't done you research

[LilEmperor]

That is why I quit eating beef and chicken, no matter how it meets its demise for human food consumption. There's always pain involved.


Fish is my only source of protein now, people who only eat fish are known to be less cruel.

So you quit eating meat, you promote homosexuality in Somalia, and you make threads about eating ass? Is this the kind of person you are?

You're something else, I don't know what to do with you.

Let me guess, you're an Adoon-loving Atheist as well?

Liberty and freedom for all. YES YES YES

[zumaale]

It is not like all the meat that is marketed as Halal in the UK is stunned. HMRC being the exception. Most commercial 'halal' abattoirs stun the animal first otherwise it would not be cost effective.