Pakistan declines to join Saudi Arabia's anti-Iran alliance

[sahal80]

http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/origina ... alman.html

[gurey25]

what a surprise i thought the pakistani elite were dumb asses.
They have been doing stupid mistake after stupid mistake.

this is the right choice.

and it is encouraging.

[PLATINUUM]

Good on them.

[James Dahl]

Pakistan joining would be stupid, it's not like Iran can't just turn around and ally India

[LiquidHYDROGEN]

Pakistan joining would be stupid, it's not like Iran can't just turn around and ally India

Or fund taliban in Swat valley. Pakistan has a sizable shia community also and Iran has sunni region in Balochistan. Neither want to rock the boat. Smart, unlike brain-dead arabs who thrive on sectarian violence.

[cusmaniya]

Why do our arab brothers want to antagonize other muslims. Just yesterday Netanyahu said he will never let there be a Palestinian state.

[Togdeer]

Pakistan is next door to Iran. So it made the right choice. It already has a bad relationship with its other neighbour India.

[gurey25]

Pakistan joining would be stupid, it's not like Iran can't just turn around and ally India

Unofficially iran has been allied with india since the mid 90's

[James Dahl]

Pakistan joining would be stupid, it's not like Iran can't just turn around and ally India

Unofficially iran has been allied with india since the mid 90's

There's the makings of WW3 in Asia to be honest, China's busy trying to shift central Asian states from Russia to China, and Russia is just as busy trying to shift southeast Asian states from China to Russia. Russia allies India, China allies Pakistan. Russia allies Vietnam, China allies Cambodia. Russia and India ally Iran, China allies the Gulf States.

[gurey25]

Dude you are way off, too much consumption of mainstream media i.e western propaganda must be clouding your judgment.
Your suggestion of Russian Chinese Conflict is simply the wet dreams of the west translated into wishfull analysis and "news".
The reality is that if you want to know what China and Russia are up to, you need to study their actions not their words.
Both the Russians and Chinese do not talk too much, if they do talk it is to distract , misdirect till said action is done.

For central asia the real competition is between the US and the regional powers Russia and China.
They have a gentlemens agreement to do everything they can to keep the US out, and the US has been hell bent in trying to establish a foothold.
US adventerism in Afghanistan and the constant threats against iran have driven all of them closer together, and today China and Russia have never been as close since the period between 1949 and 1965 when they had a falling out.
For uzbekistan, Khirgistan, Turkmenistan it doesnt matter which side they choose because they are the same side, Kazhakstan is solidly pro-russian while on good terms with china.
The main objective for everyone is to make sure the US does not come in.

Central Asia is also the lynchpin of Chinas independence and survival due to competition for resources and the US total Domination of the Trade Routes.
Central Asia with Russia can provide china with everything it needs in terms of mineral resources and oil and gas/uranium,
especially if they tapp the massive Baluchistan treasure trove of resources on both sides of the border.
China foresees that the US will eventually leave afghanistan making the afghan resources available.
All this will be plugged in to the new silk road, which is well on its way to being built as we speak,
The land route to Europe is faster than by sea and is in territory friendly to china.
Meaning no one can interfere in supply.
This means that the US cannot do what it did to Japan in 1940, with the embargo on oil and scrap metal.
Most of the Japanese millitary including Tojo new that they already lost the war in 1940, for them it was about going out with a bang
for honours sake.

With the quickly diminishing technological margin between the US and China/Russia and the massive resources available to them
Within 10 years there is nothing the US navy can do in the South China Sea.

[original dervish]

Don't forget Germany will be the end destination of the new silk road......uniting all of Eurasia with peaceful commerce.
This is one of the reasons the US has destabilized Ukraine, however, the German business community are pressuring Merkel to abandon US adventurism.
PS Also the new Asian bank has seen floods of Europeans joining, to the dismay of the US.

[James Dahl]

You can theorize about a China-Russia resistance to the evil west all you want, that doesn't change the reality of China and Pakistan building nukes for Saudi

[gurey25]

You can theorize about a China-Russia resistance to the evil west all you want, that doesn't change the reality of China and Pakistan building nukes for Saudi

This gives me nightmares to be honest.
pakistan is the weakest link its because the pakistani deep state is fractured into poweful competing factions.
you have salafi fundamentalist officers, you some who are loyal to the house of saud through some lubrication if funds and ideology. Currently it is controlled by secularist generals , even the ISI is dominated by secular and western officers.


this is why pakistans policy is schizophrenic
it depends on who has the upperhand at the moment.
china does not sell nuclear weapons they told pakistan a close ally that they need to build it themselves.
but pakistan might actually honour its commitments.

saudi nukes are scary shit because the house of saud will not last.
iran is a responsible and mature country that can handle nukes.

[original dervish]

No more or no less scary than Israel having nuclear weapons.

[James Dahl]

The thing is this is the post-western hegemony reality. The west isn't strong enough relative to all the other regional players to just order everyone to sit down and stop causing trouble. That big brother relationship was unhealthy and unfair and designed to benefit their allies and friends and corporations, but it WAS a stabilizing influence, and now it's largely gone.

The only reason the Saudis didn't build nukes ages ago was that they could count on western hegemonic forces to prevail and keep Iran at bay, not anymore.