Arab-Black-White Lovers.

[Adali]

We have fought Arabs(south yemen) we have fought whites(Russians) and we have fought blacks(Kenyans+Ethiopians) we have stood alone as all these races united against us.
Russian-Cuban-Ethiopian-South Yemeni coalition vs Somali republic 1977-8.

Remember your history.
We are truly alone in this world and can only identify with each other.

Even with all the divisions in terms of internal politics we must remember this.

[gegiroor]

How about loving your fellow Muslims no matter what race, creed, or color?

In 1977 Ogaden conflict, we were supported by Saudi Arabia, Sudan, Egypt, Kuwait, UAE, Iran, and Pakistan. All of the military expenditure was covered by Gulf Arab nations. We just need to understand we can't function without friends in this world. Even the US needs allies they identify themselves.

We should also keep in mind we're biggest enemy of ourselves. Had we resolved our issues long-time, we wouldn't be the situation we're in!

[Adali]

You clearly don't have all the correct facts regarding the 1977 war with Ethiopia, I can assure you that not a single foreigner died fighting on our side.

Religion is an important part of my identity, I do not identify with Arabs-White-blacks in terms of religion irrespective of their religion because we have different customs, not to mention majority of them are not muslim anyway. I identify with Somali more in terms of religion because we are 99% Muslim and Sunni Muslim at that, many Arabs are Coptic, Jews, Christian, Shia, reverts etc I see arabs as semites and they see me as Somali, those few who share my religion are my brothers, but they do not shape my view or Arabs because it is such a vast pool of multi-faith diverse group of people.
I don't mind diversity, I do like all muslims including Chinese, Malaysian, Chechen, Senegalese etc, but I must protect my customs and ethno-national interest in this globalized world.



What is your religion, Arab or Islam ? who do you worship Muhhamed or Allah ? make up your mind brother.

[Obscene]

There is no such thing as an Ummah. Every person for themselves.

[Kaafiye]

Adali

[gegiroor]

Military assistance from Arab and other Muslim nations trowards Somalia

Source: http://www.country-data.com/cgi-bin/query/r-12055.html

After signing the 1974 Treaty of Friendship and Cooperation with Moscow, Mogadishu started taking delivery of numerous sophisticated weapon systems, including MiG-21 jet fighters, T-54 tanks, a SAM-2 missile defense system for Mogadishu, and modern torpedo and missile-armed fast attack and landing craft for the navy. Soviet military advisers increased in number to about 1,500, supplemented by approximately 50 Cubans. The Soviet Union also trained and organized the Somali army's intelligence apparatus and the NSS. By the time Siad Barre terminated the Treaty of Friendship and Cooperation with Moscow and expelled all Soviet advisers in 1977, about 2,400 Somali military personnel had undergone training in the Soviet Union and another 150 in Eastern Europe.

Somalia also relied on the Muslim world for military assistance. Somalia's ideological ties with the Islamic world reinforced mutual interests shared with several Muslim states, most notably Egypt, Saudi Arabia, and Iran, and provided the basis for military cooperation. In the 1960s, Cairo trained the Somali army and navy.

During the Ogaden War, Egypt provided approximately US$30 million in military assistance to Siad Barre's regime. After the conflict ended, Egypt supplied ammunition and spare parts for some of Somalia's Soviet-made equipment, such as T-54/T-55 tanks and armored personnel carriers. After the 1982 renewal of hostilities between Somalia and Ethiopia, Egypt delivered T-54 and T-55 tanks, 37mm antiaircraft guns, and ammunition. Thereafter, Egypt furnished more spare parts for Somalia's Soviet-made equipment, opened its military schools to Somali personnel, and, until the late 1980s, maintained a small military training team in Somalia.

Like Egypt, Saudi Arabia provided military assistance to Somalia in an effort to keep that country stable, conservative, and pro-Western. After Somalia joined the League of Arab States (Arab League) in 1974, Saudi Arabia, supported by Iran, tried to weaken the Somali-Soviet alliance by making a US$75 million aid package contingent on a reduction of Soviet activities in Somalia. When Siad Barre rejected this condition, Riyadh withdrew the offer. When Somalia broke with the Soviet Union in 1977, Saudi Arabia rewarded Somalia by paying for old stocks of Egyptian and Sudanese weapons, which were then sent to Mogadishu. Until Siad Barre's downfall, Riyadh provided Mogadishu with a variety of weapons, including armored and reconnaissance vehicles, small arms, and ammunition. Additionally, Saudi Arabia trained SNA personnel.

Other Middle East states also supplied military assistance to Somalia. During the Ogaden War, for example, Iraq, Iran, and Jordan provided small arms and ammunition to the SNA. In 1982 Kuwait delivered forty Centurion tanks to Somalia. The United Arab Emirates and Oman equipped the SAF with Hawker Hunter fighters and Britten Norman Defender transports. Furthermore, funds from Islamic states enabled the acquisition of numerous weapons, the most notable of which was China's F-6 fighter-bomber in 1981.

[SiennaEarth]

I don't understand people on this forum and why they feel they have to hate Arabs. Lol goodness love your fellow Muslims no matter what race they are. But that doesn't mean you have to bumlick a specific race of Muslims. I love all Muslims equally. I don't feel the need to hate anyone or prefer a group of Muslims over the other. The prophet was Arab so what doesn't mean I need to be pro Arab. Anyone who shares my religion is closer to me than someone who doesn't with that said a Muslim Israeli is more loved to me than a non Muslim Arab or Somali or Pakistani etc. I would rather my kids marry a practising Muslim regardless of race than a non practising Somali. That's just the way it is and the way it should be.

[gegiroor]

Due to Somalia's weak institutions and its lack of sufficient basic necessities such as food, clothing, petroleum, automobiles, and other critical needs, Dubai is the nerve point of Somalia's import and export. Basically, when the rest of the world shuns us due to the instability in Somalia, Dubai is the only place we can register businesses and deal with the rest of the world.

http://www.irinnews.org/report/99647/fi ... nstruction

Regional partners often impose strict restrictions on Somalia, mainly out of security fears. “Borders sometimes are closed,” said Hassan Noor, CEO of Hanvard Africa, a consultant firm that focuses on East Africa. “People fly from Mogadishu direct to Istanbul. They can fly to Dubai. But they can’t fly to the next-door neighbor.” (There are no direct flights between Mogadishu and Ethiopia, for example, although there are to Djibouti, Kampala and Nairobi.)

As a result, businesses have to go to great lengths to trade with other countries. “Businesses register in Dubai in order to get access to finance and the like,” said Nick Haslam of advisory firm Adam Smith International.

This also means that businesses are less transparent. “Who is behind certain business sectors? It’s like an onion. Every time you peel some layer, you discover other friends behind it without necessarily being very officially present,” added Alinovi.

Again read below how the Dubai financial hubs, or as quoted in the article "clearing-houses," are critical to Somalia's remittance money transfers (hawala) where diaspora Somalis sent at least 1.3 billion USD back to Somalia and the surrounding region. Ask yourself why no other nation except UAE offered such help?

Source: https://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles ... lame-banks

The lack of a formal financial system in Somalia means that remittances cannot be transferred directly. Instead, an ingenious, trade-based system is used to channel money. The process begins when a customer, say from the United States, visits a local money service business to send funds to someone in Somalia. An agent then notifies his counterpart in Somalia, who in turn uses funds on hand to complete the transfer, since no infrastructure exists for sending money directly between the two countries. As a result, the agent in the United States now owes his Somali counterpart the cost of the remittance. To meet this debt, the U.S. agent instructs his bank, such as Merchants Bank of California, to wire funds to the bank account of its partner clearinghouse in Dubai. The clearinghouse provides loans to traders who use them to finance the imports of goods into Somalia. When the trader sells his goods, he reimburses the Somali remittance agent. The system works well, but, for a banker in London or New York, the circuitous route sounds an alarm on money laundering and terrorist financing.

The role of the clearinghouses in Dubai is critical, yet insufficient attention is paid by those seeking to develop safer corridors to Somalia, to the risks these clearinghouses present. The use of the funds in Dubai by both the clearinghouse and the trader lacks transparency and are therefore difficult to trace. International banks and regulators also question whether there is appropriate regulation in Dubai to monitor these type of exchanges. As the Oxfam and Adeso report points out, the UAE nexus “is a key weakness in the current system of money transfers into Somalia.” The apparent unwillingness of governments and relevant multilateral organizations such as the World Bank to tackle this weakness means that any efforts to ensure that remittances are not blocked by money laundering and terrorist financing concerns are bound to fail.

[gegiroor]

Somali leaders backhome who are running the country and its federal states know who is helping Somalis

http://www.wam.ae/en/news/emirates/1395280717124.html

UAE exerts utmost efforts to save Somalia, revive its economy, says Somali official

17/05/2015 10:36:02 PM

MOGADISHU, 17th May, 2015 (WAM) -- President of Somalia's semi-autonomous region of Puntland, Abdiweli Mohamed Ali, praised the huge efforts exerted by the UAE to save his country and restore its stability and security.

The Somali official affirmed that the UAE supports Somalia in the security, political and economic fields and implements vital investment projects in his country. "The UAE exerts its utmost efforts to save Somalia and works to restore Somalia's security and stability, and to revive its economy," he said.

The Voice of Somalia website quoted Ali as saying during a press conference held after his tour in three countries, including the UAE, that he met with a number of Emirati government and private sector officials and discussed with them avenues of cooperation as well as ways to support various sectors of the Government of Puntland.

He noted that the discussions focussed on the security, economic and political fields as well as the investment domain. He also added that all his meetings with the UAE officials were successful, pointing out that within the coming few weeks, a number of Emirati investors and officials will arrive to support the population in the north eastern areas of Somalia.


WAM/Hazem/tfaham

[gegiroor]

@Adali,

-I worship Allah azza wa jalla.
-Allah and his Prophet and messenger Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) are more dearer to me than any thing else in this world.

قُلْ إِن كَانَ آبَاؤُكُمْ وَأَبْنَآؤُكُمْ وَإِخْوَانُكُمْ وَأَزْوَاجُكُمْ وَعَشِيرَتُكُمْ وَأَمْوَالٌ اقْتَرَفْتُمُوهَا وَتِجَارَةٌ تَخْشَوْنَ كَسَادَهَا وَمَسَاكِنُ تَرْضَوْنَهَا أَحَبَّ إِلَيْكُم مِّنَ اللّهِ وَرَسُولِهِ وَجِهَادٍ فِي سَبِيلِهِ فَتَرَبَّصُواْ حَتَّى يَأْتِيَ اللّهُ بِأَمْرِهِ وَاللّهُ لاَ يَهْدِي الْقَوْمَ الْفَاسِقِينَ

Allah says, "Say: 'If it be that your fathers, your sons, your brothers, your mates, or your kindred; the wealth that ye have gained; the commerce in which ye fear a decline: or the dwellings in which ye delight - are dearer to you than Allah, or His Messenger, or the striving in His cause;- then wait until Allah brings about His decision: and Allah guides not the rebellious." (9:24)

Allow Dhowr Arab Muslims and the rest of non-Arab Muslims!

[EvolSyawla]

Adali, for once, your post does not offend.

Bravo.


Except we shouldn't need to remember conflict as reason why we should stick together. We are Somalis. Irregardless of what's going on, wa inaan sanka taagno. I love that arrogance. Screw everyone else!!!

[TheMightyNomad]

Gregiroor still booty clappin arabs i see

Somethings never change! There are one billion muslims in the world where majority of muslims arent event arab yet somalis are worshipping arabs and preaching for them! We are the only non arab muslims who claim to be them!

i have nothing against arab my bestfriend is arab & i showed him this & he is laughing his ass off at awe that somalis have such obsession with arabs!
He even tells me somalis got understand arabs are not theyre father!

They are not ur fathers! they are ur fellow muslims but not ur mother & father!

i am done walle waa yaab

[EvolSyawla]

I think it's even more embarrassing that you're letting other people see this. Why laugh at Somalis with shisheeye?

[Robotic]

Is this the SAME member who said that he would like marry a asian? LOL

[gegiroor]

Gregiroor still booty clappin arabs i see

Somethings never change! There are one billion muslims in the world where majority of muslims arent event arab yet somalis are worshipping arabs and preaching for them! We are the only non arab muslims who claim to be them!

i have nothing against arab my bestfriend is arab & i showed him this & he is laughing his ass off at awe that somalis have such obsession with arabs!
He even tells me somalis got understand arabs are not theyre father!

They are not ur fathers! they are ur fellow muslims but not ur mother & father!

i am done walle waa yaab

Stating facts are not "booty clapping'. Try to express your disagreement without incorporating insults. I could match it but would pass it this time

On my end, I've observed Somalis developing this Arab-hating mentality - and it is not in response to Adali but to others - where they somehow believe Arabs betrayed us and did not do what we deserve from them. I tried to understand it and came to the conclusion that it has no basis. Arabs did try to help the Somalis in many ways and their support has been largely positive. My previous comments showed examples. it is actually the Somalis who betrayed themselves - people who allowed half a million of their people to starve to death when the rest of the world were sending the food aid while they prevented it; we're talking about people who prevented the formation of viable state that can store the dignity that their people deserve. I am a believer that Somalis are not in a position to criticize others.

This obsession with Arabs that is repeated in Somali gathering places was first started by people who were raised by Christian missionaries. The intended target is, after this inferiority complex is established in the minds of Somalis, Islam can be associated with Arabs and, therefore, many Somalis will run away from it. It is proselytization in disguise. Dig it yourself and see the background of the people who are propagating this mindset, of course overlooking the younger generation who based their sole arguments on Arabs they meet in the social space. If you need proof, just look at how often this obsession is repeated in social forums, conferences, and ordinary fadhikudir gatherings. Majority of the people who repeat it are people who went outside of Islam. If you don't believe me, time will prove me right.

IJust remember this: Arab hate is a Muslim hate in disguise.