Kenyan claim to Somali waters deconstructed?

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Kenyan claim to Somali waters deconstructed?

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Salam snetters....out of boredom I carried some cursory research into the maritime dispute between Kenya and Somalia, and low an behold I believe I have dismantled the preposterous Kenyan claims.

It's quite simple really.......Kenya wants to draw a straight baseline from it's own coast.
They have tried to use the Tanzanian/Kenyan delineation of their maritime boundary as an example.
However, if you examine the Tanzanian/Kenyan case it becomes obvious that such a drawing of "straight baselines" from the coast, doesn't apply in the Kenyan/Somali case........why you my ask?........because there is no foreign landfall being intersected by the Somali angled baseline.
Kenya's erroneous claim that if the Somali angled baseline was used, it would make the Tanzanian island of Pemba Kenyan territory, is just a red herring.Straight baselines from the coast can only be used in very special circumstances, one of which is when the angled baseline will intersect another country's territory i.e Pemba. As the Somali angled baseline doesn't intersect Kenyan landfall, the straight baseline that Kenya is claiming is non applicable.

Here is the document showing how Kenya/Tanzania delineated their maritime boundary. It also references the "Law of the Sea" and other international conventions for delineating maritime boundary's.

PS pay careful attention to the northern boundary angled baseline (which is the the Kenyan/Somali boundary line as of 1975).
These Kenyans are trying to take us for fools....while their own legal maps refutes their false claims.


PS Hassan Sheikh's office feel free to PM me. :D :som: :up:

http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/58819.pdf
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Original Dervish can you stop with all the dots. It's irritating.

Thanks you though for the PDF :up:
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^^^Your welcome sxb......I was tired of folk repeating Kenya's talking points.
PS my writing style is all my own sxb......original. :) :up:
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Wouldn't surprise me if the 'Somali Government' sold out to the Kenyans in exchange for a free hand in Jubboyinka.

With the hatred that exists among Somalis, anything is possible.
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This sea claims have been going on for some time how is the progress going?
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zumaale wrote:Wouldn't surprise me if the 'Somali Government' sold out to the Kenyans in exchange for a free hand in Jubboyinka.

With the hatred that exists among Somalis, anything is possible.
Niyow if that happens. I will join Al shabab. Villa somalia isku qarxinaa
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Yes indeed....all things are possible. :)
PS Warsheekh aint you already with them?
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lol nah. I would if they weren't so extreme. If only they where nationalistic and didn't kill innocent somalis. They would be the greatest thing that ever happened to somalia :wow:
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Its no brainer! There lies 6 oil blocks!

It started after the former defense minister, gandhi has disclosed to kenya and some french and norwegian companies about these blocks...as a geologist who had some of the former regime files he knew about them...his aim was to encourage them in investing his azania project but kenya got it wrong and started claiming them...not just that it has tried to pay for the former tfg until the parliament consider it null and void

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-15499534
Some info says that kenya is now threatening some politicians to bring this file to the court as proof of its claim if they did not stop it!!

I think somalia will win bc the uk and US companies will get these contracts

Soma oil&gas has already awarded them to the norwegian seabird wich is the reason why the norwegians stopped investing it under kenya

UK and norway too r facing a threat from the US companies such as shevron who had the old contracts

Thats why the bloomberg, an american media company is leaking secrets about the govts "unfair" deal with soma oil&gas!
https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&sourc ... BKVh1rdkVg
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This dispute will take a decade -- if not longer -- to go through the labyrinth court process of the ICJ before it is solved. Btw, Kenya's claim is backed by Norway, same Norway that funds parliament's payroll.
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Jabuutawi wrote:This dispute will take a decade -- if not longer -- to go through the labyrinth court process of the ICJ before it is solved. Btw, Kenya's claim is backed by Norway, same Norway that funds parliament's payroll.
sxb trust me no one can steal somalia excep with the approval of the corrupt politicians

Norway has one foot in kenya and the other in somalia

Was supporting to steal it through the TFG not stright...

but since the parliaments rejection followed by the UN report and the soma oil&gas contract with the norwegion seabird they started inclining towards this govt through the uk

Kenya and the norwegian state-run statoil had their own problems too bc the company would like it to do it on its way and now bc of the problem between somalia and kenya they r no more investing it for lack of legal clarity

Maybe the french and italian companies r still interesting it but no one is now ready for this

Adigaa saxixa lagaa rabaa and in fact kenya is now claiming having reached understanding with the former TFG, their plan is to bring this forth into the court as strong point

If this happens there will be big scandal that will have its impact on many politicians

Some of them r too afraid now and will be their weak point one day!
https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&sourc ... adGmNCuRNQ
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Re: Kenyan claim to Somali waters deconstructed?

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Warya Sahal, even if Somalia wins, mamulka Jubba iyo SFG is ma khilafiyan? Fighting over the oil riches? That is going to set Somalia further back. Is there an explicit understanding between the two who owns these blocks?

You may ask yourself: Why is a guy whose ancestral homeland 2,000 KM away concerned about this? Damn it, I want to know all Somali affairs all the time :lol: .
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Good job OD. everyone should know what's going with Somali Maritime so these crooked slimy bastards don't sell xitaa bada
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Good job, I hope they hired good professional lawyers that will defend us, cause the Somali leaders can be bribed.
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The Kenyan's don't have a leg to stand on......their own legal maps that were lodged with the relevant UN department clearly show the baseline between Kenya/Somalia is angled and not straight.

Somalia can only lose through two scenarios....1)Corrupt politicians agree to sign off on the Kenyan map
2)The court overturns 60 years of convention and finds in Kenya's favour.

If Somalia wins this case Norway should be excluded from any oil concession bidding.....and any other country/company supporting Kenya. :)
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