Should Somaliland offer the Russians Berbera?

[AwRastaale]

The Chinese will dock in Djibouti on top of the Americans, French and Japanese.

The Turks already charmed Mogadishu/Somalia and will probably pursue a future base in Mogadishu.

The Russians are making a quick comeback thanks to warrior Putin, the modern day Peter of Russia.

He is restoring Russian interests, Russian pride and today its military is a fearsome force even the Americans are afraid as are NATO for the first time.

Not only can Russia challenge them economically (with stand sanctions) but it can bunch for bunch militarily without any nuclear threat (conventional war).

Russia is mad right now and will probably pursue its own interest abroad and beyond central Euro-Asia.

After it destroys Turkey, ISIS, and even pro-Wahabi groups in Yemen, it is no brainer Russia will seek a base in Africa.

Should Somaliland offer the Russians Berbera, which was built by the Soviets anyways?

Have you say.

Personally I am impressed with Putin and Mother Russia.

[ThoronKing]

"mother" russia? perhaps u are russiophil or russian.

and the answer is a big no.

Everysingle country that invested in a relationship with russia and its arms are gone or lost, Iraq, Libya, Egypt, soon Syria.

Russia betrayed Somaliweyn and Somalis in general in favor of supporting their fellow christians amxaar, that shows u religion is thicker than fake ideology as socialism.

Never again should somalis invite russians to anything, we should stay away from them, they are the weakest major power and sellout their allies.

[theyuusuf143]

Somaliland is open for civilian business, we are not proxy war trojans.

[mahoka]

absolutely, it seems we need as many allies as possible against islamic terrorism

[Rambie]

I strongly agree.

People should start thinking out of the box.
Every country is pursuing it's own interest. Russia is no different.

But the ignorant political class n SL doesn't comprehend the basics of
diplomatic maneuvers. From where do you think Barre got most of his military hardware
and arsenal? Yup that's right, Russia aka USSR. The main reason Barre managed to stay in power
so long despite the public apposition, was in fact his weapon superiority and foreign support which in it'self
even more crucial to initiate such a diplomatic mission.

What is plan B, waiting for the "world" to recognize SL?
Not gonna happen. We need to stop getting emotional about the
past and think towards the future. We can really benefit from the current
building up cold war. Don't forget, Berbera being a major port today is a result of USSR military ambition.


ThoronKing, Russia also abounded Ethiopia after it's collapse
and ever since was relying on USNothing wrong with that it's called playing smart. Hell, US bonded Somalia
and yet today the're backing then up. Since 2007 US had troops there, AMISOM, weapons, international support etc. etc.

Yusuf,

What do you think SL would be if recognized by UK or US?
Unless you want to be another version of North Korea, that is the only choice, another puppet/proxy.
We should play our cards right, not get into some national nonsense that will get us to nowhere.

[gurey25]

Russia is not yet independent it will be if putin and his allies stay in power for another 5 years, and it looks that way.
pro-western politicians are seen the same way as peadophiles now, most of them pretend to be ultra nationalists so they can criticize putins policies, they cannot be against them because they are seen clearly by the public as good for the motherland.

when it is independent you will see them nationalize the central bank, then its a sign that
putin has cleaned house, and is prepared for war..
right now he is hiding his weaknesses and buying time for reforms, he will never risk all, even syria can be lost.
Right now the west can call his bluff in syria, because putin will not fight,
over crimea, yes nuclear weapons are the first option . over the rest f Ukraine? no no russian will die for ukraine..
in 5 years Putin knows he can win anywhere, the Chinese know too , its all a matter of buying time, kissing western ass.
While behind the scenes is a race against time...

so no berbera or other bullshit, till 5 years at least..
then it would be the smartest choice ever made by somalis,.

[LiquidHYDROGEN]

We should not "offer" our port to anyone. Are we dhillos? What have Singapore, Busan, Rotterdam, Shanghai, Taipei etc all have in common? They were built by the population and they are the biggest ports in the world. Why do we always seek outside assistance? ilaahey miyaanu caqli idin siin? Are you lower than indhayar and cadaan?

[Rambie]

We should not "offer" our port to anyone. Are we dhillos? What have Singapore, Busan, Rotterdam, Shanghai, Taipei etc all have in common? They were built by the population and they are the biggest ports in the world. Why do we always seek outside assistance? ilaahey miyaanu caqli idin siin? Are you lower than indhayar and cadaan?

How do you project any of these countries/cities to SL?
Almost all of them have solid infrastructure, skilled educated population, strong govt and backed
by the US. They are well established and have access to the international monetary system when
SL doesn't even have a functional central bank.

It's not "offering" it's leasing the port for a period of time.
The Russians can use it to have a foot in strategic horn and develop the port at
the same time. Like what happened under Siad Barre when they extended the port but
still it was used to export & import goods in huge volumes 90% of Somalia's livestock was being
exported from Berbera. I think you already know the amount of investment needed to handle such huge traffic.
Later, the US also extended the port ever further. It has nothing to do with being cheap but playing it smart.

Like what happened to Djibouti, they leased the port
to the UAE for 25 years. UAE invested a lot in the port and toke
some of the profit. But once this period is over, the port will come back
under Djibouti's ownership 100% with all the facilities as well. Hey, it's better
than having an outdated port controlled by a hot blooded sub clan generating 300 million dollar year.
That's so small and insignificant for a state in 2015, even by African standards.


In one of your examples, you brought Taipi which it's the main city in Taiwan.
Taiwan is officially recognized as a part of China, even the US don't dare to recognize
Tawian as an independent state or else China would attack the small enclave. Despite the unrecognized and
isolated statues of Taiwan, it managed to achieve a rapid development in short time thanks to massive foreign investment
spearheaded by the US in the fields of industry, education, infrastructure etc .. . You see, a stand alone unrecognized country not backed by any super power can't accomplish anything in the 21 century. Especially a backward entity like SL.

[GAMES]

Horta, hala riyoodo maxumee, soo in laseexdo kama horeeso?

Umm, before you start offering Berbera port to anyone, don't you need to get a permission from the government first?

Oh nvm, carry on your day dreaming.

[Rambie]

Horta, hala riyoodo maxumee, soo in laseexdo kama horeeso?

Umm, before you start offering Berbera port to anyone, don't you need to get a permission from the government first?

Oh nvm, carry on your day dreaming.

Moqadishou port was leased to the Turks.
Somaliland can do whatever it wants with Berbera.

[Rambie]

Russia is not yet independent it will be if putin and his allies stay in power for another 5 years, and it looks that way.
pro-western politicians are seen the same way as peadophiles now, most of them pretend to be ultra nationalists so they can criticize putins policies, they cannot be against them because they are seen clearly by the public as good for the motherland.

when it is independent you will see them nationalize the central bank, then its a sign that
putin has cleaned house, and is prepared for war..
right now he is hiding his weaknesses and buying time for reforms, he will never risk all, even syria can be lost.
Right now the west can call his bluff in syria, because putin will not fight,
over crimea, yes nuclear weapons are the first option . over the rest f Ukraine? no no russian will die for ukraine..
in 5 years Putin knows he can win anywhere, the Chinese know too , its all a matter of buying time, kissing western ass.
While behind the scenes is a race against time...

so no berbera or other bullshit, till 5 years at least..
then it would be the smartest choice ever made by somalis,.

Yh, I read about that too. The current Russia vs the west media war
made Putin very popular to the Russian public as they see him as the man who
regained the dignity of Russia. The next 10 years is going to be very interesting.

[GAMES]

You can lease it for commercial purposes, but not for militarily.

Without getting a written consent from the president and the Russian ambassador to Somalia would have to make that request.

[Rambie]

You can lease it for commercial purposes, but not for militarily.

Without getting a written consent from the president and the Russian ambassador to Somalia would have to make that request.

Am afraid you messed the main point of leasing
the port beside the economical benefits, which is cooperation and initiating diplomatic relations with the Russians.

If indeed Russia agreed to have a military presence in Berbera it's basically saying F u Mogadishu.
You guys sided with US against them during Crimea crisis witch I gotta say, wasn't a smart move from your part.

It would a great way to counter US influence in Xamar as well.

[drobbah]

Why associate Somaliland with those loser vodka drinking Russians you rather have China(The future) or the US(current topdog).Russia is a sinking ship.

[Rambie]

Why associate Somaliland with those loser vodka drinking Russians you rather have China(The future) or the US(current topdog)Russia is a sinking ship.

US like the west have been showing us the door
the past 25 years and their influence in south Somalia
speaks for itself. They bet on Xamar against Hargiesa with them
having soldiers there since 2007 is a clear sign of unconditional support.

China has investments in south Somali and their diplomatic relationship is stable
but they could be persuaded along with other anti US BRICS countries by Russia if things workout.