Should kids out of wedlock be treated different

[Sumubaridi]

Lets say, you have a kid out of wedlock and a kid whose mother you married. As a father, is there any difference in how you should be proud of them, treat them or care for them. In my opinion, they are both my children regardless of which sheikh nikaah whose mother or not. People should not have kids out of nikah but if it has happened and the baby is bouncing around, I should kiss, love, hug and appoint him to be the head of my family. He will be my child like any other child and will break the jaws of anyone who say something bad about him.


What do you think?

[Lion104]

I will treat all bastards like jon snow, they are inferior.

[Lion104]

I kid but i don't think islamically you can treat the illegitimate born out of zina (outside of marriage) as your child, and he doesn't carry your name nor does he inherit from u. Im not sure but, i think that your daughters would have to wear hijab infront of him if its a man as well.

[Sumubaridi]

I kid but i don't think islamically you can treat the illegitimate born out of zina (outside of marriage) as your child, and he doesn't carry your name nor does he inherit from u. Im not sure but, i think that your daughters would have to wear hijab infront of him if its a man as well.

Your daughter will wear hijab if you did not nikaah her mom? he will not have your name? whose name will he have? That is like punishing the child for no reason. Are you sure this is Islamic? I heard you should even respect your dad who is kaffir and you are not supposed to respect your child who is a muslim if he is not born in nikaax? naga daaya ciyaarta. wear hijab kulahaa. Even your niece will not wear hijab.

[abodu]

Out of wedlock as in haram child. A bastard.

Every child is born pure and innocent. From the child of a mufti to the child of a prostitute.

[Sumubaridi]

Out of wedlock as in haram child. A bastard.

Every child is born pure and innocent. From the child of a mufti to the child of a prostitute.

so a bastard child is no different from a nikah child. They are both your children and they both be treated equally.

[Hyperactive]

Sumu, I am afraid what lion104 wrote is what fiq says about ibn zina. basically; hadeeth says, son is(firaash) and the zini hajar. means if you did zina to married woman the kid will be to her husband and take his name and inhered him, even not his but the kid born in his nikaah.

but if the woman not married, the kid is hers and nothing to do with you. so we punishing the kid and the woman. you lucky if you get few lashes or just slap on the rest, these days and you are free.

even with DNA still we are fighting to get some responsibility to men. old men so called scholars in our majma'a refusing it to put some responsibility to men to their illegal kids.

all we got is; society has to rise cause the hadeeth says what means " your brothers in religion" so government has shelter for these kids and some are adults , educated but still their government files says " government kids" so they are automatically citizen and given random family names!!

[Sumubaridi]

Sumu, I am afraid what lion104 wrote is what fiq says about ibn zina. basically; hadeeth says, son is(firaash) and the zini hajar. means if you did zina to married woman the kid will be to her husband and take his name and inhered him, even not his but the kid born in his nikaah.

but if the woman not married, the kid is hers and nothing to do with you. so we punishing the kid and the woman. you lucky if you get few lashes or just slap on the rest, these days and you are free.

even with DNA still we are fighting to get some responsibility to men. old men so called scholars in our majma'a refusing it to put some responsibility to men to their illegal kids.

all we got is; society has to rise cause the hadeeth says what means " your brothers in religion" so government has shelter for these kids and some are adults , educated but still their government files says " government kids" so they are automatically citizen and given random family names!!

So if I have a child out of wedlock, he is not my relative but my brothers's children are my relatives? I do not have the islamic knowledge of it. Is the references from hadith or Ayah? is there ayah in the quran that talks about ibn Zina and his rights to his father? Ma runbaa waxaan uu leeyahay gabadha aad kudhashay zinada way kaa xijaabanaysaa? my own blood see iiga hijaabanee xitaa gabadha aan adeerka ama abtiga u ahay igama xijaabanayso. Waxyar explain. I am a muslim so I will take whatever allah and the prophet ruled but I want to know the authentic ruling not some old scholar views.

[CigaalSHiiDaaDCFC]

^ I agree it doesn't make any sense. I will do some research but I think the baby should always have the fathers name unless the mother doesn't know who's the dad.

[Macarons]

Sumu, I am afraid what lion104 wrote is what fiq says about ibn zina. basically; hadeeth says, son is(firaash) and the zini hajar. means if you did zina to married woman the kid will be to her husband and take his name and inhered him, even not his but the kid born in his nikaah.

but if the woman not married, the kid is hers and nothing to do with you. so we punishing the kid and the woman. you lucky if you get few lashes or just slap on the rest, these days and you are free.

even with DNA still we are fighting to get some responsibility to men. old men so called scholars in our majma'a refusing it to put some responsibility to men to their illegal kids.

all we got is; society has to rise cause the hadeeth says what means " your brothers in religion" so government has shelter for these kids and some are adults , educated but still their government files says " government kids" so they are automatically citizen and given random family names!!

It's sad how adults have to live in shame all because of the mistake of their parent's stupidity. I like to think things happens for a reason, perhaps those children will become a better role model than and learn from their parents' folly.

[Susu000]

Doesnt matter if the kid is born out of wedlock,if you are man enough to acknowledge him, he has the right to your last name and the right to ineritence. And your daughters does not have to wear hijab infront of him.

Children born out of wedlock did not choose it and should not be punished for the wrongdoings of two adults.

Hyper, I thought this was your area of expertise, why are you missinforming Sumu and others?

[Futurist]

Sumu, I am afraid what lion104 wrote is what fiq says about ibn zina. basically; hadeeth says, son is(firaash) and the zini hajar. means if you did zina to married woman the kid will be to her husband and take his name and inhered him, even not his but the kid born in his nikaah.

but if the woman not married, the kid is hers and nothing to do with you. so we punishing the kid and the woman. you lucky if you get few lashes or just slap on the rest, these days and you are free.

even with DNA still we are fighting to get some responsibility to men. old men so called scholars in our majma'a refusing it to put some responsibility to men to their illegal kids.

How can this be right? How can this be moral, or just, or rational? Why should an innocent child be punished and ridiculed in this way? The fathers should man up and take responsibility.

Dadkani waa imtixaan

[FAH1223]

I will treat all bastards like jon snow, they are inferior.

You know nothing

[Hyperactive]

okay let me explain the "7ukm". the scholars (ijma'a al3olama) agreed 100% including 4 sunni scholars that the son of zina will follow his mother and her family and not the zani. also the around 5% said can be follow his father and take the last name and inherit each other.

let me explain both sides; there are two major hadeeths used in this situation as main daleel and situation that Umar bin khatab judge it in his time.

one of the 2 ahadeth is famous one every one knows ;
الولد للفراش وللعاهر الحجر

means; the husband's firaash.

the other hadeeth in bukhari and muslim is long hadeeth but I will make it short:

sa'ad abi waqaas came to prophet mohammed with his brother's son who exactly look like his brother 3otbah abi waqaas. he did zina to "jariyat some one" .

sa'ad said to rasoul ASW, ya rasouluAllah, this is my brother's son. then the other guy, abad ibn zam'ah, who is brother of sowda bint zam'ah, prophet's wife. the zam3ah said; ya rasoulullah, he is my brother, he was born in my father's firaash (his father owned her). prophet mohammed looked at the kid and looked exactly like 3otbah.

prophet said; take it abid ib zam'ah he is your brother and looked at sowdah, his wife, wear hijab from him.

in our time as a judge myself it's very strange verdict cause how he is your brother and at the same time order his sisters to wear hijab around him???

some scholars who are other opinion say; prophet mohammed ASW knew the kid is from 3otbah but didn't want break other family who wanted the kid which was stable house for the kid. and that verdict was special case only.

also there is situation umar bin khatab allowed new muslims who converted to islam who had kids before islam from zina. umar told them he allowed them to give their names and inherit from them.

Again, scholars who are against the son of zina to give zani's name say, that is special case for people who have zina kids before they converted.

Also ibn taimia, his student ibn qiyam and hassan albasri and other scholars said; "if" the guy knows he is the only one who slept with the woman and he is sure, he can give his name and follow him.

so as you see over whelming scholars say " son/daughter of zina cannot follow the zani, cause the only way you can father is by marriage/legal way to have childen and anything started illegal cannot be legal"

Now with DNA we are fighting to change the law and take minority scholars such ubn taimia's qool. until now we do not follow ibn zina to his illegal father.

in Egypt the mufti wrote letter of fatwa to allow 12 000 kids who have no papers to legalize them if the fathers want it. but still no one dares to issue law according to DNA to follow their zina kids if they don't want.

END of the legal of this issue

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this is my opinion; we get not as much as Egypt, morocco, Tunisia etc of this issue cause many don't want to put themselves to legal issues or scare of shame but get some of them. I remember this guy who had 4 kids with his wife but the first kid born less than 6 months after the marriage contract date. by law of today, we refused to register that kid as his kid. I felt it's not right but that is law of today. that I wish we change it. cause we punishing the kid and grow up with no papers.

[CigaalSHiiDaaDCFC]

^^ jazza'a ka allah for explaining it in details bro. I understood now. As some of the culumaha said that might have been a special case. It just doesn't make sense if there's clear proof such as dna.