The SNM delegates to the Khaatumo talks

[weydamal]

http://www.daldoon.com/2016/12/17/video ... -khaatumo/


Wasiirka Arrimaha Debedda
Sacad Ali Shire
2. Gudoomiyaha xisbiga Ucid
Faysal Ali Waraabe
3. Wasiirka Waxbarashada
Abdillaahi Habane
4. Wasiirkii hore Maaliyada
Cawil Ali Dualle
5. Gudoomiyah Koowaad ee
xisbiga Kulmiye
Mohamed Kaahin Ahmed.


The SNM iiddoor have sent their most sick,tribalistic and narrow minded members to the talks. Any Dhulbahante who supports these fake talks should regain his senses after seeing this gallery of iiddor washouts.

[KyrieJama]

Cali Khalif and Khaatumo specifically requested Faisal Cali Waraabe to be added to SL's committee, and denounced Cawil Cali Duale addition to the committee due to a long standing beefs with some members in our camp.

There has been an open hotline between the two Calis and Ina Cali Waraabe for some time now, and they agree on many fronts. His addition is delibrately calculated.

Besides, each side can send the members they choose.

As long as they don't send Harti SL officials, it's all good.

[weydamal]

Kyrie Jama

That's a very intriguing revelation. You're right every side gets to choose it's delegates, but their choices also send a signal. Faysal Hyena's public stance and anti Harti/Daarood pronouncements are well known. Why on earth would Cali Khaliif prefer him to others.

[Xaldoon]

The dhulbahante are skeptical to say the least

[PrinceNugaalHawd]

Weydhmaal you seem to be more pro Harti/Darood sxb, what matters is Dhulbahante. Ofcourse as a Darood I might feel some type of way if he insults our Beel for no reason, but when I know what he saying and who he is targeting happens to be true I'm not that offended.

How many times have we insulted Idoor? And I personally think Faysal is not that bad, he might diss people but most of the time he is telling the thruth. He said last year he stopped saying Faqash because a Dhulos lady requested he don't use that. The others I don't know them like that.

[theyuusuf143]

Faysal is Very nationalist he is very open for the dhuloos, He does not hate any of Somaliland clans.

[theyuusuf143]

Any thing we agree will not be fully implemented from your side we all know this. But the good thing is Somaliland will definitely fulfill it's promises. So congratulations to you first. Somaliland will implement the new deals except military activities, Somaliland will definitely never accept to pull out of Sool, but they don't mind enrolling new dhuloos units in its fronts and the general power sharing. Somalia is dead I think dhuloos delegation should not waste their time on Somalia unity issues that does not concern you.

[original dervish]

There can be no deal without a total iidoor withdrawal from all Dhulbahante lands.

[weydamal]

Prince,

I agree that Dhulbahante should come first, but there is a reason why Somalis organise themselves around clan families, mainly because they are the backup plan of every clan. Alliances with other unrelated clan families occur on an ad hoc basis and are of a temporary nature. For example the Mareexaan in Jubbaland once allied with the Hawiye Caydh, but this was a tenuous relationship with a certain goal. Their current alliance with their Ogaadeen cousins is much stronger and more beneficial.

Admittedly the Majeerteen have fallen short of supporting their cousins, but I suspect this has to do with the weakness of Puntland, both militarily and economically, that only allows them to protect their tribal boundaries. They have also suffered from weak and indecisive leadership since Cabdullahi Yusuf ,Aun .Dhulbahante grossly overestimate the strength of Puntland, hence the heightened expectation and subsequent disappointments, just as they do wit southern Somalia. On the other hand, the Ogaadeen are much stronger, but I think the Dhulbahante have not made strong overtures in their direction.

So yes, I think if strengthened and consolidated, the Harti/Daarood card is a much more potent one.

Besides, if you read Yuusuf ' s comments, and he seems to be a reasonable chap, he says that they will never pull out of Sool. If Yuusuf ,who is a moderate iiddoor, frames the relationship between iiddoor and Dhulbahante, as one between an invader and an occupied entity, then Prince you don't need to peer at the writing on the wall. It's in capital letters.

And what do you think is the best scenario for outcome of these talks.

A Dhulbahante maamul goboleed within Somaliland? Subservience to the iiddor in Hargeysa?

Is this what Dhulbahante should accept and aspire to.

Wasn't Khaatumo built on two principles, midayn and xorayn.


When was the military option exhausted.

Somaliland is as weak as Puntland, both economically and military. That's why the two will never fight. The only existential threat to the iiddor are the Ogaadeen to the south, who have both the military and economic power to subdue Somaliland. It is to the interest of Dhulbahante to forge a very strong alliance with the Ogaadeen, who are their kinsmen and natural allies. Now if Khaatumo spent as much effort on getting them on board, as tgey are on talking with the iiddor things would be very different.

[PrinceNugaalHawd]

I agree Faysal is a Somaliland Nationalist.
Weeydh you are putting too much hope on Somalia including Darood. Idk how else to get tru you, we waited for 26 years, and at war the last 12 years or so!!. The South really doesn't care about the North, we can fight but at what sucrifice & for who? Yusuf can say that cause we have our boys on the other side and we are not willing to sucrifice them. So a political settlement is a good option.

We are Somaliweyn supporters but let's be selfish for once and care about ourselves and interest. Then you will see Laascaanood even bigger and better all our lands more developed because we invested in our land and people and put us first.

I don't want an Idoor domination Inadeer, we will fight if we have to like we always do with no help! but they are Somalis that we can work with, we don't have to wait for a country that doesn't care about you or a clan that wants just your votes and name.

[theyuusuf143]

@weydamal

Let's be realistic bro, Somaliland acts as the legitimate authority of the former British protectorate , they do represent the people of Sool who we consider our people, Somaliland does not occupy Sool it's part of its land. We can discuss sharing power and resources but we can't discuss separating our people, that can cause civil war and clan conflicts over land. There is no clear border between isaaq and dhulbahante and we share atleast three districts it's not easy to separate our people peacefully . You should also keep in mind khaatumo is already weak actor on the ground they can't dictate unrealistic demands as they control no where. The whole reason Somaliland is talking to khaatumo is to solve our issues peacefully instead of wasting our blood over nothing . Should we continue the Tom and Jerry game mise caqliga galaynu isula nimadna,

[Bandit]

Nothing in this world is solved through peace if peace can solve anything the most modern countries wouldn't have powerful military
Every dhulos group should take there land bounce tbh this is already true is just not official yet the dhulos name is none existent cover used by certain trash who work for either mj or isaaq to infiltrate other groups

[X.Playa]

Khaatumo and its delusional supporters know very well that they can't defeat even hj or hy subclans never mind an entire state which is arguably the most united and most powerful in all of former somali republic.

From the beginning the SL position was if the dhulos of SL have legitimate grievances let them come to the table, dhulos position there will never be talk unless SL withdrew from their regions which is ridiculous.

Now khaatumo relinquished its arrogant clannish position. The negotiations is the end which basically a face saving capitulation agreement.

It's done for the extermist.

[PrinceNugaalHawd]

Dhuuuuuuuso Iyo xaaaaar bataaaaataaq.

Nigga listen, Dhulbahante stood against the entire Somaliland to defend Kalshaale and Buhoodle & believe me we can stand against any army. The only Real reason Somaliland is in our territory is because of us, Faanka Iyo Bakhbakhda meel la doono. We brought SL. I know I can fight & even destroy all pro Sl Dhulos too. If everyone one of us, attacks Somaliland militias in every town and isolate the small units and invade Lasacanood in days and kick Sl out. That will cause death and destruction. And I happen not to support the Southern mentality of dominating the North, your Athiest Qabilist ass better learn to work with us.

[X.Playa]

Stood against what and where? When your futo-kala qaad began it was in Kalshaale and Maygaagle in less then a week you were overrun and pushed to the Shaxda and the Buhoodle itself was shelled.

Siilaanyo and Gen. Jidhif then had their fall out, Jidhif insisted that these neo faqash have to be finished and Siilaanyo pretending to be Mr nice ordered the army not entre Buhoodle. Jidhif resigned in protest.

I was listening to the BBC and VOA , one of your tribal minister from Puntland was interviewed from Buhoodle almost weeping saying " dad baa beebee dusha laga mariyay oo dhulka lagu dhajiyey" . After that not a single dhulbahante dared to fire a shot in the SL military surrounding the village Buhoodle. The SL army was in total control of all disputed land. They remained there till the Dhulbahante begged Siilaanyo to withdrew the army and let the poor besieged women and children at least drink from the occupied wels.

Your clan was demonstrating from London to MN usa, you collected all your dead in a room and took footage and claimed a massacre. The displaced dhulabahante are interviewed in many YouTube videos and we have posted it here on many occasions, although you edited your videos for propaganda reasons one old man in plastic bags hut said it in two words " ciidan hor istaaga ayaa la waayey ".

You can't invade shit not you can fight a war for the simple reason your people ignore SL isn't an army SL is also HJ and HY nomad if it's comes to all our war we can even push out from every corner of the protectorat and cast your corps into the sea. Your elders know that very well that's why they dare not fight an all our war. Even if the rest of your Daarood help you, you can't fight an all out with isaaq. It wasn't long ago when your Daaroods along the government forces was fighting an all our war and your Daarood lost even in Ethiopia.

Laakiin Dee umad xishoota oo runta isu sheega ma tihidin.