What Wadani should do when (not if) they lose

[BigBreak]

firstly the upcoming election to be held in JSL will definitely be free and fair so everyone has to accept whatever the results become including if the ruling Kulmiye party is decared the winner. there are many reasons why i believe kulmiye will win fairly that i can state here but ill give one reason which is the electoral system whereby the winner of the presidential vote doesnt need over 50% of votes cast, just the highest share of the votes (both kahin 2003 and silanyo 2010 reached under 50% when they won)

Therefore should wadani lose as i strongly believe then they should not get angry and falsely claim rigging took place, they should take the L gracefully and do the following:
- gather members of the Wakiilada who are members of either Kulmiye, UCID or non-party to defect to wadani before the official results are declared so that wadani has an overall majority in the Wakiilada
- when a majority in the legislative lower house is obtained, wadani should pressure muuse biixi as president to form a coalition cabinet of kulmiye and wadani together by threatening to reject biixi's ministerial choices in parliament (both article 53, clause 1 and article 94, clause 2 of the constitution http://www.somalilandlaw.com/body_somal ... tution.htm)
- campaign to amend/replace the constitution so that 1. in future presidents of JSL are elected indirectly by parliament/electoral college not directly elected by citizens and 2. create the post of prime minister who together with other senior and junior ministers can be removed by the house of representatives by a no-confidence motion

what do you think?

[Zoomalia4Kucks]

We don't need a prime minister and a president. It's useless. What you wish to happen just won't happen. They won't get any defectors from Kulmiye if Kulmiye wins. If wadani loses they need to rethink their strategy as it obviously didn't appeal to majority of country. Same goes for Kulmiye. Dirty tricks to squeeze opposing agenda into gov is not needed. This is why we have election so the people can choose the path.

[suldaanxamaas]

We don't need no confidence motion bs, not any PM post, no konfuuria nonsense, fck that SL constitution piss it was written by some sudaani lawyer hired on freelancer.com

Either MBC takes the post and all must followe the lead

or CMC wins the lead, which is more likely than most SM & HJ would admit

either way we must protect our peace

[BigBreak]

dude the so called election is nothing more than a clan census. let the president be elected by parliament or a region-based electoral college so that the elites in somaliland come together and take direct responsibility instead of causing fitna among the masses and have their crimes/failures go unpunished

[abodu]

If wadani lose, the message is loud and clear.

HA & HJ are the (the white men) of JSL and Garxajis are just Niggers.

Somaliland ha ka tashadan. Hj iyo ha waa khaayimiin duruustii yahuuda so akhristay. Wadani waa nasab xalaal ah which is why they cannot match kulmiye in the art of munaafaqnimo.

[cheifaqilbari]

I am wadani #now, i expect all you newkulmyes to be wadanis after dorashada 10 more days until CMC
from berbera is elected our nations president.

[cheifaqilbari]

If wadani lose, the message is loud and clear.

HA & HJ are the (the white men) of JSL and Garxajis are just Niggers.

Somaliland ha ka tashadan. Hj iyo ha waa khaayimiin duruustii yahuuda so akhristay. Wadani waa nasab xalaal ah which is why they cannot match kulmiye in the art of munaafaqnimo.

kkkk faqash maxreean talking about somaliland. why dont you go somewhere and fundraise a school for gedo. do they have a secondary there.

listen abdoufaqash . im sick and tired of you faqash putting your faqash nose into everything . and creating fitna between Somaliand brother communities .

you need to learn when you faqash opnion is needed and when its time to stfup.

now lets back to the election .

Wadani GUUUUUL

[abodu]

If wadani lose, the message is loud and clear.

HA & HJ are the (the white men) of JSL and Garxajis are just Niggers.

Somaliland ha ka tashadan. Hj iyo ha waa khaayimiin duruustii yahuuda so akhristay. Wadani waa nasab xalaal ah which is why they cannot match kulmiye in the art of munaafaqnimo.

kkkk faqash maxreean talking about somaliland. why dont you go somewhere and fundraise a school for gedo. do they have a secondary there.

listen abdoufaqash . im sick and tired of you faqash putting your faqash nose into everything . and creating fitna between Somaliand brother communities .

you need to learn when you faqash opnion is needed and when its time to stfup.

now lets back to the election .

Wadani GUUUUUL

Faqash?

Isn't that the tittle of gudoomiye Ciro?

[Zoomalia4Kucks]

dude the so called election is nothing more than a clan census. let the president be elected by parliament or a region-based electoral college so that the elites in somaliland come together and take direct responsibility instead of causing fitna among the masses and have their crimes/failures go unpunished

In what world does a parliament get to choose who is president? Instead of indirectly voting for president by voting for people who are going to make the final decision and could possibly go against the public's wishes , just let the people elect the president like a real democracy. Also calling this election nothing more than clan census is pretty ridiculous as any voting registration is technically a census . You just had to include the clan dig in there.

[BigBreak]

the stakes will be lowered and the danger of post election strife like in kenya will be avoided in somaliland if the public didnt direct choose their leader. in actual fact there are countries like south africa botswana suriname and myanmar that have powerful presidents elected by their parliaments straight after a general election. also a mother of democracy the usa has a electoral college to elect the president

[Zoomalia4Kucks]

the stakes will be lowered and the danger of post election strife like in kenya will be avoided in somaliland if the public didnt direct choose their leader. in actual fact there are countries like south africa botswana suriname and myanmar that have powerful presidents elected by their parliaments straight after a general election. also a mother of democracy the usa has a electoral college to elect the president

Those 4 countries you listed are not operating as democracy as the people vote for president in real democracy. And SL should not try to emulate the fake democracy in SA, Botswana, Suriname, and Myanmar as they are all corrupt shitholes. South Africans have been trying to get rid of Zouma for a long time, if they had voting power they probably would already. When a parliment gets to be bought off and corrupted it's easy for them to go against the wishes of the people and that's how Zouma is still in power today. Also The electoral college and parliament are not the same thing at all or even similar. The fact that you would try to compare the two is ridiculous. The electoral college never use to be an issue until Republicans learned to exploit it and corrupt it through gerrymandering and voter suppression. The electoral college robbed the U.S. citizens in 2000 and 2016. Theres only 2 other cases of the EC going against popular vote but that was early on in America history and had more to due with lower population and how delegates were divided, and both those cases happened before 1888. A lot of Americans want to do away with the electoral college because Republicans have essentially weaponized it and the next time a Democrat becomes president or gets a majority in Congress it will likely be abolished as it no longer serves it's intended purpose.

The only reason electoral college was created was because founders feared outright democracy and wanted to protect the minority from the majority but now the electoral college is being used by the minority to hold the majority hostage so it must be abolished.

[Maroodijex]

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firstly the upcoming election to be held in JSL will definitely be free and fair so everyone has to accept whatever the results become including if the ruling Kulmiye party is decared the winner. there are many reasons why i believe kulmiye will win fairly that i can state here but ill give one reason which is the electoral system whereby the winner of the presidential vote doesnt need over 50% of votes cast, just the highest share of the votes (both kahin 2003 and silanyo 2010 reached under 50% when they won)

Therefore should wadani lose as i strongly believe then they should not get angry and falsely claim rigging took place, they should take the L gracefully and do the following:
- gather members of the Wakiilada who are members of either Kulmiye, UCID or non-party to defect to wadani before the official results are declared so that wadani has an overall majority in the Wakiilada
- when a majority in the legislative lower house is obtained, wadani should pressure muuse biixi as president to form a coalition cabinet of kulmiye and wadani together by threatening to reject biixi's ministerial choices in parliament (both article 53, clause 1 and article 94, clause 2 of the constitution http://www.somalilandlaw.com/body_somal ... tution.htm)
- campaign to amend/replace the constitution so that 1. in future presidents of JSL are elected indirectly by parliament/electoral college not directly elected by citizens and 2. create the post of prime minister who together with other senior and junior ministers can be removed by the house of representatives by a no-confidence motion

what do you think?
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[BigBreak]

h.

im sorry you're wrong, the presidential system has failed across africa in terms of prosperity, political stability and free democracy
this article backs up my point why somaliland needs a parliamentary system
http://ends.ng/the-parliamentary-fix-to ... democracy/

[Zoomalia4Kucks]

h.

im sorry you're wrong, the presidential system has failed across africa in terms of prosperity, political stability and free democracy
this article backs up my point why somaliland needs a parliamentary system
http://ends.ng/the-parliamentary-fix-to ... democracy/

Most democracy in Africa have parliamentary system and they all failed, so no.