Are the Issa the most warlike of all Somalis?!

[Waachis]

''The Issa Somalis, among the richest camel-owners in the Protectorate, are pastoral nomads and probably the most warlike and un-subdued of all Somalis. The titles ''black'' and ''white'' which are applied to the Issa, seem to refer simply to geographical habitat. The Issa living to the north and seawards of the line of hills running from Jibuti to Harar are known as the ''white,'' while those to the west of this line are the ''black.'' The three primary divisions of the Issa are: Abgal, Dallol, and Wardik, from the last of which are the Issa chief, called 'Robli' and apparently a rainmaker, is drawn. Circumcision appears to be a rite of initiation into an age-grade organization of warriors, although further information on this, as well as on the nature and functions of the Issa Chief 'Robli,' is required. The Issa have an outstanding reputation for fighting and are said to seek trophies of their valor by the emasculation of the slain.''

[PEOPLES OF THE HORN OF AFRICA Somali, Afar and Saho, North Eastern Africa Part I Paperback – 1969
by I.M. Lewis (Author)]

[Typhoon]

issa is not a clan its a confederation of clans
yes they are very warlike because they are classic nomads
abgaal and marexaan formed the core of issa and the other 2 are afar tribes who are assimilated

mamasaame=marexaan

[Waachis]

issa is not a clan its a confederation of clans
yes they are very warlike because they are classic nomads
abgaal and marexaan formed the core of issa and the other 2 are afar tribes who are assimilated

mamasaame=marexaan

i see. i need to learn more about them. i disagree with them on several issues, but respect them to the fullest.
we oromos respect any brave man, who can fight well. that's in our blood and culture.
hence the reason we even respect SNM even though siad barre was our ally.
wow, so mareehan are considered to be part of Issa, too? i didn't know this.
are issa Dirs? i read this is true, but not sure?

[AwRastaale]

issa is not a clan its a confederation of clans
yes they are very warlike because they are classic nomads
abgaal and marexaan formed the core of issa and the other 2 are afar tribes who are assimilated

mamasaame=marexaan

i see. i need to learn more about them. i disagree with them on several issues, but respect them to the fullest.
we oromos respect any brave man, who can fight well. that's in our blood and culture.
hence the reason we even respect SNM even though siad barre was our ally.
wow, so mareehan are considered to be part of Issa, too? i didn't know this.
are issa Dirs? i read this is true, but not sure?

It’s good that you finally came out off the closet and admit that you’re low grade “Oromo” aka “Obbo Somali” (Barre’s foot soldiers).

SNM killed lots of them and hand the rest to Ethiopia.


I respect real Oromo; Yejju, Tulama, Arsi, Rayyuu but not low grade offsprings who want to run away from Amhara, Tigrais and the Abyssinian Oromo.


Btw Typhoon is a troll. Abgaal are Hawiye. They live in the south while Marehan are small useless tribe that Barre fed so much BS.

Issa are Dir along with Samaroon, Gadsan, Biyamal, and some small tribes they shopped from Afran Qallu Oromo such as Akisho, Gurgura, etc.

[Typhoon]

issa have a separate law(xeer cise) then the somali law(xeer somali), they have xeer issa because the somali law doesn't apply to the afar section of cisse.

issa contains also allot of harla koombe sub clans
issa has more in common with raxanwayn clans then darood when it comes to tribal formation.

marexaan has more history in those regions then any other clan.
once you pass 1800s, most recent clans become almost non existent, you will notice the marehan name popping up.
its only after 1800 you see marehan history in the south.

majority of somalis clans have fake abtiris and hide their origins
cisse claims to be banu hashim but historically claimed dir and under 4.5 they are considered dir.

we marehan know every clans their origin and what motivates them, we know the somali blooded clans and sheegato.

there is a reason we dominate somali political history because we know our subject.
somalis are liers when it comes to their tribes origin
siad barre created new confederations and named new kingships.

example a clan like habar jeclo was never nomadic somali, they used to be mountain cushitic people, its only in 1700 they came down the mountain and entered dhulbahante land
dhulbahante was the most dominante clan among the somalis, they were larger then ogadeen, they used to dominate and bully all the clans up north.
dhulbahante never used to marry isaaq and they never paid money for the isaaqs they killed.
the reason northen clans sighned protecrate treaty with the british is the dominance of the dhulbahante, so the dhulbahante declared war on the british.

if you study dhulbahante, abgaal, ogadeen and marexaan history you will unlock alot about classical somalis

half of raxanwayn are not somali.

[Waachis]

issa is not a clan its a confederation of clans
yes they are very warlike because they are classic nomads
abgaal and marexaan formed the core of issa and the other 2 are afar tribes who are assimilated

mamasaame=marexaan

i see. i need to learn more about them. i disagree with them on several issues, but respect them to the fullest.
we oromos respect any brave man, who can fight well. that's in our blood and culture.
hence the reason we even respect SNM even though siad barre was our ally.
wow, so mareehan are considered to be part of Issa, too? i didn't know this.
are issa Dirs? i read this is true, but not sure?

It’s good that you finally came out off the closet and admit that you’re low grade “Oromo” aka “Obbo Somali” (Barre’s foot soldiers).

SNM killed lots of them and hand the rest to Ethiopia.


I respect real Oromo; Yejju, Tulama, Arsi, Rayyuu but not low grade offsprings who want to run away from Amhara, Tigrais and the Abyssinian Oromo.


Btw Typhoon is a troll. Abgaal are Hawiye. They live in the south while Marehan are small useless tribe that Barre fed so much BS.

Issa are Dir along with Samaroon, Gadsan, Biyamal, and some small tribes they shopped from Afran Qallu Oromo such as Akisho, Gurgura, etc.

I have always told you that my father and his brothers and their 250 armed Oromo unit, sought, and received, support from siad barre.
My father and his unit then left in 1981-1982, when disagreements on the aspirations of siad barre to annex oromo lands, came to the forefront.

I can never care about what a somali thinks about who's real oromo, and who isn't; when your own point of view flip flops daily.
one day, u hate all somalis, then the next, you are bragging about their exploits. which one is it?

Also, oromo affairs, are for oromos to determine, not somalis, especially those who do not even border us. you're irrelevant in ethiopian and oromo affairs.
also, most of the oromo who were under somali abbo, were eastern oromo-the arsi being among the most dominant-the same clan you just claimed to respect as being ''real oromos,'' look at how you exposed your own dumbass!

those oromo who sought arms from somalia, did the same thing SNM did, sought arms from a neighbor, to fight their enemy.
simple as that. BOTH SSDF AND SNM got help from mengistu-this is indisputable-and irrefutable-even if you cry, in a fit of rage, and type up a 100 page essay.

[Jabuutawi]

Who is this character misinforming people about Ciise. Did I just hear him say Ciise is a confederation and that Mamassan is what again?!

Wacchi, ask your Afar friends about Ciise and their history they may be unbiased than this fairytale you hear from this misinformed person.

[ramzy2277]

only time ilkoyar were mentioned before 1800 was when they were led by their tribal leader xirabo ben guibta ben theodoros ben adam .
ilkoyar are pure definition of shegato.

as for the qurjele, 90% of sheekh isaaq tribe dont even share grazing lands with them let alone intermarrying with them,zubair awal cidagale,arab,ayub,cimran,western HY and HJ...etc never interact with the qurjele, only eastern HY and HJ sub sub sub clans interact with them.

[Jabuutawi]

There are no Harlas in Ciise clans. Many Harlas were absorbed by Oromos.

Koombe is a Darood/Oromo lineage.

Yonis Muse.......Ciise and Mamassan Muse......Ciise are brothers. I am Yonis Muse, we make up the laf dabaraka (backbone) of Ciise. News to me that we are something we are not .

[Waachis]

Who is this character misinforming people about Ciise. Did I just hear him say Ciise is a confederation and that Mamassan is what again?!

Wacchi, ask your Afar friends about Ciise and their history they may be unbiased than this fairytale you hear from this misinformed person.

he said Issa is a confederation, and not a clan.
what say You? is he wrong?
i am just learning here. i respect any one who is brave, and has strategic/rich lands.

[Jabuutawi]

LOL, I don't have time to explain to a novice about Isse/Issa/Ciise, but if you are sincere about it the world-wide web is your oyster. Take the effort on your own to learn about Ciise. For the record, this person needs to sort out his clan's origins much less Ciise.

[Khalid Ali]

Ciise are good folks they fight they have xeerka ciise. Djibouti is basically and ciise kingdom with gadabuursi teachers isaaq bankers. It's very nice place really ciise live in shinile and xafaad ciise in diredawa. Ciise had two presidents one is the uncle one is the nephew. Ciise and isaaq get along pretty fine we allowed the ciise king to be crowned in seylac few years ago. And we get allot of bussines incentives from the Djibouti government the current president of Somaliland his father was born in djibouti when president muse came back from America back in 1983 he came via djibouti flight from Saudi Arabia to djibouti and the faqash embassy New it and they knew muse would detect to snm. They called abtidoon and asked his hand over. Abtidoon said I cant touch him he is a djiboutian citizen.muse stayed in Djibouti and than joined snm changed his Somali army uniform and Changed it the snm uniform him siilaanyo former president of Somaliland was the snm chairperson and one year later we started dagaalki buuraha. The battle for the mountains burco duuray in 1984.

[Lion104]

The most warlike Somalis are the Ogaden and the Dhulbahante by far. The Ciise were a tribe that didn't even breed horses.

"Previous to the expeditions against the Mullah, the tribes which were, in all probability, the best off in horses were the Dulbahanta, and after them the Ogaden. At all events, most of those in a position to speak are agreed that the Dulbahantas are the best horsemen among the Somali."

[X.Playa]

Ciise is a confederation and who says they are not is a child and illiterate fool.

[Jabuutawi]

Holding on to the mythical 'soo raac' preached by folks who know squat about Ciise. Let me school you a bit. It is as authentic as your Bani Hashim. Science backs up my claim.

There were two studies done, one in Dir Dhabe and the other in Djibouti, to ascertain whether male figures that claim same paternal ancestry actually are related. The results, shocking or not, and depending on your biased view, were uniform.

A sample of Somalis in Dire Dawa ( Ethiopia ) has shown them to have the rare Y-DNA T at 82.4%
The Somalis in these samples were form the Northern Dir clans.

Dir Somali clan members in Djibouti tested 100% for T1a-M70 marker. Also, T1a-M70 has been found in only 1 sample belonging to a member of the Hawiye clan (1/1), and in 0/9 (0%) samples belonging to the Isaaq clan.

Plaster et al., "Variation in Y chromosome, mitochondrial DNA and labels of identity on Ethiopia," UCL Discovery (2011)

The results in Dir Dhabe differ in the sense that Dir Dhabe is ethnically diverse city compared to Djibouti. However, there is no denying the fact the legitimacy of my heritage. It is also remarkable that science backs up my oral history.