The people of Sool, Sanaag and Cayn send a strong message against separatism

[MrSinister]

One thing the sham of elections in separatist held region of Somaliland has revealed to the world is that separatism is being pushed by one clan (Isaaq). I would argue even with Isaaq it’s only the corrupt Jeegaan that benefit from separatism while the average person wants nothing to do with it.

The people of Sool, Sanaag and Cayn sent a big message by boycotting these fake elections. Puntland also prevented these separatist elections from taking place in SSC. If we had a real federal government, they would also send a message against separatism.

[BigBreak]

You're so off track I don't know where to begin . Midnimo will never happen again, Somalinimo anaa wasaa

[Phinks]

30 years, never forget.

[MrSinister]

Big Break,

After 30 years of begging and prostituting yourself to all manner of gaalo for recognition, this is still how the world sees you (from world bank report).



Nobody was talking about somalinimo, you guys can administer yourself in your three cities and no one would care. But the fact that you want others to be part of your clan state is delusional and will never happen. Puntland will be doing big voter registration in SSC soon.

[BigBreak]

This so called SSC is majority Isaaq though so care to explain?

[paperino]

It's unfortunate that maamulka Waqooyi Galbeed still votes along clan/tribal lines, and elections are marred by musuqmaasuq, vote stealing, under/overcounting votes, etc. This isn't my own claim, as it's confirmed in SL's section:

.. The issue is poeple are voting for individuals based on clan and sub clan.

Khalid cirro waa siyaasi dulqaad badan oo siyaasadiisa qabow waadigan arka inuu taageero badan ku helay. 2017 markii cirro la boobay e isaguna natiijada aqbalay sidii xisbigiisa uga baxay ilaa hadda kama tirsani laakiin waan u qirayaa inuu siyaasi aragti dheer yahay.

https://www.somalinet.com/forums/viewto ... 6#p5002656

Some media sources try to paint maamulka Waqooyi Galbeed & its elections as 'democracy', but the reality is different. The region is a long way from political maturity and limiting clanism/tribalism.

[skywalker25]

It's unfortunate that maamulka Waqooyi Galbeed still votes along clan/tribal lines, and elections are marred by musuqmaasuq, vote stealing, under/overcounting votes, etc. This isn't my own claim, as it's confirmed in SL's section:

.. The issue is poeple are voting for individuals based on clan and sub clan.

Khalid cirro waa siyaasi dulqaad badan oo siyaasadiisa qabow waadigan arka inuu taageero badan ku helay. 2017 markii cirro la boobay e isaguna natiijada aqbalay sidii xisbigiisa uga baxay ilaa hadda kama tirsani laakiin waan u qirayaa inuu siyaasi aragti dheer yahay.

https://www.somalinet.com/forums/viewto ... 6#p5002656

Some media sources try to paint maamulka Waqooyi Galbeed & its elections as 'democracy', but the reality is different. The region is a long way from political maturity and limiting clanism/tribalism.

Tribalism is a Somalia disease its what brings u to the Somaliland section with all manor of negative nonsense, under the guise of Somalinimo. When in reality if you don't want, what you want for yourself for your Somali brother, what is Somalinimo or Midnimo. Its a oxymoron.

You region is killing field but you have time for us, why? because you are protecting unity or Somalinimo. Yaa munaafaq.



Mr Sinister, I'm glad you used the word ''elections''. Regardless of claims they might not be fair. We are practicing one man one man vote. The only region in the whole of the former republic. If the locals you want to join u in your pit called Somali decide they'd like to shuffle shit, they are free to do so. But lets not fool around with any idea that some amazing Somalinimo awaits them or even Darodnimo. Its clear they are both childrens stories used when u want to take advantage of someone.

[MrSinister]

Skywalker,

If your argument is Somaliland is a more sophisticated tribal state, then sure I agree. The truth of the matter is the people of SSC have rejected your secessionist agenda as much as some of you rejected being part of Somalia. This is the reason why Somaliland will never be an independent state. But I share your vision of being autonomous and not waiting for Mogadishu to fix your regions.

[mahoka]

One thing the sham of elections in separatist held region of Somaliland has revealed to the world is that separatism is being pushed by one clan (Isaaq). I would argue even with Isaaq it’s only the corrupt Jeegaan that benefit from separatism while the average person wants nothing to do with it.

The people of Sool, Sanaag and Cayn sent a big message by boycotting these fake elections. Puntland also prevented these separatist elections from taking place in SSC. If we had a real federal government, they would also send a message against separatism.

The people of sool and sanaag are different from the people of badhan and lascanood district which is where the darod tribe lives.

Sool has 4 tribes - hy, hj, fiqishni and darod (dhulo)

Darod only live in the lascanood district of sool, not the rest of the soil region

32k votes were casted by the darod tribe of lascanood district

As for sanaag it’s different, sanaag is a region inhabited by the hj and hy tribes who make up the vast majority of the population (85%) and inhabit all 3 districts of sanaag (ceelafweyn, ceerigabo, badhan) - unfortunately for you darod only live in las qoray town and surrounding villages.


Cayn is part of togdheer region and is shared by two tribes the hj and the darod (dhulo)


Darod is a tiny minority in Somaliland which makes up around 4% of the Somaliland population, no one pays attention to them nor cares what they do or think.

[paperino]

Skywalker,

If your argument is Somaliland is a more sophisticated tribal state, then sure I agree. The truth of the matter is the people of SSC have rejected your secessionist agenda as much as some of you rejected being part of Somalia. This is the reason why Somaliland will never be an independent state. But I share your vision of being autonomous and not waiting for Mogadishu to fix your regions.

SSC has nothing to do with Waqooyi Galbeed's failure to obtain independence. Simply put, the world won't allow an independent WG 'cause there's no valid/legal reason for independence. If there's a valid/legal reason, WG would already have been independent for 30 years.

[ReturnOfMariixmaan]

Why hasn’t Somaliland put secession as a referendum. Clearest way to end the deadlock me thinks.

[Khalid Ali]

It did in 2001 and it was 97 pro Somaliland.
Now if u want a new referendum then it has to be authorised by the United nations and supervised. This will result to Somaliland globe wide recognition after the referendum becomes successful. Are you ready for that.

[ReturnOfMariixmaan]

It did in 2001 and it was 97 pro Somaliland.
Now if u want a new referendum then it has to be authorised by the United nations and supervised. This will result to Somaliland globe wide recognition after the referendum becomes successful. Are you ready for that.

I defer that question to Gubbet and Dalalos. I’m here for Jubaland. Let my Laandheeres answer that for you

[mahoka]

Skywalker,

If your argument is Somaliland is a more sophisticated tribal state, then sure I agree. The truth of the matter is the people of SSC have rejected your secessionist agenda as much as some of you rejected being part of Somalia. This is the reason why Somaliland will never be an independent state. But I share your vision of being autonomous and not waiting for Mogadishu to fix your regions.

SSC has nothing to do with Waqooyi Galbeed's failure to obtain independence. Simply put, the world won't allow an independent WG 'cause there's no valid/legal reason for independence. If there's a valid/legal reason, WG would already have been independent for 30 years.

Your darod tribe is a minority in sool and sanaag and cayn and doesn’t have any sway on any outcome both internal or external

[paperino]

Why hasn’t Somaliland put secession as a referendum. Clearest way to end the deadlock me thinks.

In order to hold a UN sponsored referendum, there has to be a valid/legal reason which Waqooyi Galbeed lacks. The region is tribal based, doesn't have a different haplogroup, religion, language, culture, etc. Essentially, a reer Waqooyi is 99.99% just like a Puntlander, 'koonfurian', etc.

It did in 2001 and it was 97 pro Somaliland.
Now if u want a new referendum then it has to be authorised by the United nations and supervised. This will result to Somaliland globe wide recognition after the referendum becomes successful. Are you ready for that.

You're mistaken; the 2001 wasn't UN sponsored/supervised. And anytime you've 97% outcome, it's automatically sham.