1st Marehan Y-Full DNA is in....and he joins the Harti clad related within ~800 years.

[Gubbet]

I must say I am quite surprised.

As you know, I like to keep up with the genetic testing craze at Somalispot as a general novelty and have brough it up before as an interesting anecdotal feature in discussions.

Well one person whose results I had been looking forward to see was the Emir Nur Mujahid fella who identifies as Marehan/ rer Diini/ rer Ugaas Shermaarke.

Strictly based on his self-identification, he would be the first MX to have taken the full Y-DNA test (which btw seems to be a disproportionately Isaaq and Majeerteen affair).

The entire thing is unscientific and I would be cautious of deriving any inference, but entirely as a novell interest, here are his results.

https://www.somalispot.com/threads/mare ... lt.117194/

[Sbashi]

He is a troll who claims mx. He spams refrences to nuur mujahid and adds other outrageous claims to clown mx.

[ReturnOfMariixmaan]

He is a troll who claims mx. He spams refrences to nuur mujahid and adds other outrageous claims to clown mx.

He’s a Zanzibari trying to troll Gubbet and us by extension. But Zanzibaris have no history before colonialism. It’s pure jealousy and insecurity

[Gubbet]

Are you guys sure? I have read his posts and I dismissed him as eccentric all this time.

Besides how did someone pay all that money for the Y DNA, go through that entire long process, and magically land on the place you would expect Marehan to be in relation to Harti going by the genealogical record if it informed something about genetic relationship?

By that I mean, if the Mohamud Saleebaan are showing up within the ~400 years range, and the Harti at the ~600 year range, ~800-1000 year range is actually extremely corollary where Mareham is concerned with the Darod genealogy IF IT WERE TRUE ABOUT BLOOD REKATIONS.

This has to be some weird clinically pathological type of predilection if it is a stunt.

Also I probably should reiterate strongly the unscientific nature of the whole Somalispot genetic thing.

Whereas the T and Dir relationship has been established by consistent legitimate scientific research from, among others, accredited academic institutions....there is 0 scientific basis thus far for any of the other claims on that forum.

in hindsight, having already judiciously critiqued Apollo t may even be possible the whole thing is an active charade with a socio-politico motivation

I mean the nature of my crique was such I would be lying if I said this was not a realistic possibility.

Still, AS AN ANECDOTAL NOVELTY, I thought this was interesting among other such highlights I have noted about the whole thing.

[Gubbet]

My critique -----> https://www.somalinet.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=403359

[ReturnOfMariixmaan]

Gubbet,

Do we share blood with these niggas?

[grandpakhalif]

Hes a troll he makes ridiculous claims about MX history as some sort of weird satire. He is not Mx!!

[Gubbet]

Saddam, this is paternal Y Haplogroup testing. It's importance is seeing how it correlates to our lineage structure.

Beyond that, it is borderline irrelevant as a useful tool for establishing blood and genetic relations.

The tool for that would be your Autosomal DNA and I can tell you not only are Somalis a very closely related group, but they are in fact the most homogeneous group in the Horn of Africa and certainly one of the most homogeneous in the world.

This is taking into considering both the T amd E-V32 Y-DNA groups.

Not only are they so remarkably homogeneous at the top, but even within the details, for example types of admixture, are universally shared from Djibouti to Jubba.

Say a sub-section in Djibouti mixed with the Sudanese Hassaniya (thinl hypothetically); going by the Somali pattern in consistent research the Somalis in jubba would reflect this admixture at the same frequency give or take some adjustment in rate.

So basically say of the Somalis in Djibouti, 5% was the frequency this admixture was exhibited (of the total population) and of the 5%, the rate at admixture averaged around 7%....the Somalis in Jubba would express the SAME frequency at 5% of the total population although rates would fluctuate between 1-7%. The rate just reflects growing distance from the point of contact.

Obviously also here I should add the controversial but scientifically necessary disclaimer, I am talking about Somalis as the ethnic group the country of Somalia is named. As you know, another translation of Somali is all the citizens of Somalia. Am example.of this distinction relevant to scientific interest of course being ethnic Somalis and the old Arab Benadiri Community Mogadishu or ethnic Somalis and the Somali Bantu people.

So the Djibouti admixture point and the rest of the observable, identifiable close homogeneity of the Somali people is quite remarkably as examples of how interrelated and intimate the bonds are. It shows there are very intimate and unique bond, even open and unfettered intermarriage from Djibouti to Jubba circulating our blood and genetic ties almost like a fan blowing air in a room. If something is introduced on one end, very quickly it is diffused through the entire group.

It shows despite our politics, we as an ethnic group share strong, warm bondship that facilitates closely shared blood and genetic kinship with open, unfettered, amd widespread intermarriage working like a highspeed bullet train dropping off shipments of blood from 1 corner of Somaliweyn to another corner in a fortnight keeping us upto date with each other as a homogeneous group.

[ReturnOfMariixmaan]

Saddam, this is paternal Y Haplogroup testing. It's importance is seeing how it correlates to our lineage structure.

Beyond that, it is borderline irrelevant as a useful tool for establishing blood and genetic relations.

The tool for that would be your Autosomal DNA and I can tell you not only are Somalis a very closely related group, but they are in fact the most homogeneous group in the Horn of Africa and certainly one of the most homogeneous in the world.

This is taking into considering both the T amd E-V32 Y-DNA groups.

Not only are they so remarkably homogeneous at the top, but even within the details, for example types of admixture, are universally shared from Djibouti to Jubba.

Say a sub-section in Djibouti mixed with the Sudanese Hassaniya (thinl hypothetically); going by the Somali pattern in consistent research the Somalis in jubba would reflect this admixture at the same frequency give or take some adjustment in rate.

So basically say of the Somalis in Djibouti, 5% was the frequency this admixture was exhibited (of the total population) and of the 5%, the rate at admixture averaged around 7%....the Somalis in Jubba would express the SAME frequency at 5% of the total population although rates would fluctuate between 1-7%. The rate just reflects growing distance from the point of contact.

Obviously also here I should add the controversial but scientifically necessary disclaimer, I am talking about Somalis as the ethnic group the country of Somalia is named. As you know, another translation of Somali is all the citizens of Somalia. Am example.of this distinction relevant to scientific interest of course being ethnic Somalis and the old Arab Benadiri Community Mogadishu or ethnic Somalis and the Somali Bantu people.

So the Djibouti admixture point and the rest of the observable, identifiable close homogeneity of the Somali people is quite remarkably as examples of how interrelated and intimate the bonds are. It shows there are very intimate and unique bond, even open and unfettered intermarriage from Djibouti to Jubba circulating our blood and genetic ties almost like a fan blowing air in a room. If something is introduced on one end, very quickly it is diffused through the entire group.

It shows despite our politics, we as an ethnic group share strong, warm bondship that facilitates closely shared blood and genetic kinship with open, unfettered, amd widespread intermarriage working like a highspeed bullet train dropping off shipments of blood from 1 corner of Somaliweyn to another corner in a fortnight keeping us upto date with each other as a homogeneous group.

I get it. Speaking of Djibouti. I’m hearing the Ciise Ugaas is Reer Hassan. And I heard this from many different MXs. Tf?

[Gubbet]

Saddam, Ciise Xeer is remarkable for two oddly progressive features; one could even say "post-modern" features.

1. Ciise Xeer organizes the Clan in 6 Camps; Seddexda Ciise iyo Seddexda Soo Raac ( 3 Blood Brothers with 3 Chosen Brothers).

This is so remarkably unique that I have long viewed it as competing with the Marehan Takxir of one of their own as probably thr most singularly unique, even oddest features of thr somali clan system.

The norm in Somali clan system is to adopt more lineages for more men at arms and more grazing.and water resources.

.... but to make them renounce all previous ties and essentially be reborn being informed 100% by the new lineage ( AKA SHEEGAD).

Most often, renunciation is irrelevant because more likely they were already permanently expelled from the previous lineage or had lost contact to such an extent it was a matter of sheer survival.

The Marehan Takxir or Excommunication of one of their own recognized by every single clan member to have the same birthright as they is a singularly unique circumstance, but when you take into consideration the Excommunication took place, was heavily enforced but was prevented from impacting the legitimacy of their birthright claim to the Marehan lineage is is astoundingly unique outlier. Remember clans bring IN men, and then erase their identity so the clan has free GAIN a "permanent entitlement" but Marehan EXPELLED men while still honoring their MAG "liability" (they will ensure their defense and equity if anyone else dared to take advantage of this internalX situation) so basically the clan as an aggregate lost value and the debt accrues perpetual interest . It is so ANTI-EVOLUTIONARY, Marehan's situation is still so unique for thar exact reason

Similarly, the Ciise Xeer declaring from preamble that not only is the origin of the clan not entirely blood born, but they in fact recognize and celebrate the act of voluntarily choosing their family I think is so incredibly unique and powerful, I have once or twice thought perhaps it is not so surprising that Xeer Ciise is the single best codified Somali Xeer. The reason is what is hidden is hidden for shaming or disempowering us and what but when we are transparent it is because we are empowered by the issue, that we arr confident. They may have the single best possible clan relations internally. Remember Saddam, almost surely at 100% the initiation of all Somali clans at the top was voluntarily venture for whatever reason and even today look voluntarily choosing of family through adoption, taking in an orphan. The prophet Muhammad (SCW) himself had his adopted son ZAID BIN HAARITH, who do you think Zaid would be paying DIYYA/MAG with? With reer Muhammed ibn Abdullah of course but ZAID BIN HARITH was never asked to take on a new lineage and become a "sheegad." Our culture has forced that compulsion, but the CIISE XEER WAS MADE BY WISE MEN; more wise than in any other clan.


2. Also, for a double whammy of uniqueness, the CIISE UGAAS traditionally comes from a subclan that is not one of the biggest lineages in thr Ciise. In fact of the 6, I think it is the smallest.


AND HAPPENS TO BE 1 OF THE "CHOSEN" BROTHERS AS OPPOSED TO THE 3 BLOOD BROTHERS.

And their internal clan organization is one the most historically stable and and organized out of all the Somali clans.

Go figure

[MrSinister]

I took the national geographic test many years ago. My DNA is probably in some database now. I had similar results to other Harti specifically MJ. It would be interesting to see results from older darod lineages. So far, from what I’ve read, it looks Darods who’ve taken this test have a commmon ancestor.

[Marehan]

Interesting results.

[Marehan]

Marehan do match with certain Majerteen sub clans such as Wabeenaye on Yfull TMRC of 800 years. Marehan are also related according to DNA test with in 800 years to Lelkase, Jidwaag and smaller Absame sub clans, dulbahante, Warsangeli, Geesi guul Harti. But so far few Somali clans have taken the DNA test.

[Gubbet]

Do you know Wabeeneeye historically lived with Marehan? Even just 50 years ago, they lived with Marehan as south as Balanbale and Caabudwaaq

[Gubbet]

Where are the results of those tests?