From Voltage: Deni broke the Elite Contract in Puntland and he has to stand down or be overthrown like Jama Ali Jama.

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From Voltage: Deni broke the Elite Contract in Puntland and he has to stand down or be overthrown like Jama Ali Jama.

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Recall what I said about Deni's management of Puntland Senate; specifically remember what I said about the treatment of Juriile.
2. JURIILE WILL BECOME THE POLITICALLY DEFINING RESULT FOR FEDERALISM.

Few people even noticed and less even know him, but JURIILE is an individual institution in Puntland and National politics. He was the chief intellectual, "elder statesman" representing Puntland in Parliamentary systems since Abdullahi Yusuf. He was a Senator co-leading Puntland delegation with Faroole.

Until this moment. Deni did not even include him in the LIST despite all lobbying efforts. Just like that, Juriile was sidelined and discarded in these Mafia appointments they call "Senate elections."

Yet Deni nominated and reappointed Fsroole EVEN THOUGH he and Faroole have an even worse relationship and with the controversy within Faroole's clan about his renomination for the seat.

Why?

Faroole is Mohamud Saleebaan/MJ, the same as Deni but JURIILE is Dashiishle of the Harti.

This is the bellwether of this entire "election season."

It will illuminate a lot about both the illegitimacy of this process AS WELL AS what comes to define what informs the legitimacy of "Federalism."

This issue will reverberate in Boosaaso, in Bari, in Puntland and Somalia's faux "federalism."


REMEMBER THE NAME JURIILLE!

This was bound to reverberate to Boosaaso after all this
  • Matt Bryden and Sahan/Rashid Abdi like to say Farmaajo broke elite contract which is beyond the fierce opposition.
    • In correct, Somalia did not have an elite contract at any point. It did not have an informal "gentlemen's agreement"for understanding how to navigate the process. Somalia state building has always had a donor driven ad hoc process to achieve an arbitrarily set guideline/milestone that coincided with some grand yearly development scheme where local Somali actors were mere spectators kept in line by threats/capitulation./list]
    • Where there was an actual elite contract was in Puntland ever since Abdullahi Yusuf wing of former SSDF militarily defeated the Mohamed Abshir Hamaan wing allied to Arta militarily then led by Jama Ali Jama.
      • The elite compact said that Majerten wing is dominant and is essentially the only military actor. They in concert with their Intellectual thought leaders were blessed in marriage by the Elders who have since acted as judge and arbiter.
      • The elders have been called in many times
        • Make peace btw Abdullahi Yusuf and Cadde Muuse
        • Solve the issue between Abdullahi Yusuf and Faroole
        • Solve the issue when Ciise Maxmuud and Cumar Maxmuud clans mutinied, etc etc etc [/quote]
        • Deni is the first man in Puntland leadership to break the elite contract.
        • Puntland's elite contract is that a concensus comes from within the system and then that Consensus is the position of the Puntland President towards Somalia.
          • Deni arm twisted the Puntland Parliament to get rid of Doobo Darood violently... Strike 1 and against a non-Majerten important to Bosaaso
          • Deni conducted the Senate parliament like he was Ahmed Madoobe owing poeer only to Kenyan tanks and targeted the eliteest of the elite Juriile...Strike 2 and again against a non-Majerten again important to Boosaaso
          • Deni tried to consolidate a still family run type of armed force as a show of force to prepare total ownership of Bosaaso's elections...Strike 3 and this time against a very important military brass within his Majerten very important to Boosaaso
      • The Elders have called themselves this time and the verdict they gave is not about Gen Diyaano, it is about Deni.
        • They decided enough was enough and they had to intervene to place a check in front of Deni
        • Any action Deni takes now against that order from the Elders is in direct contravention of the Elite Contract that legitimized the very relevance of the leadership in Garowe over Puntland.
          • It is important to add that Boqor Burhan has made his very title as King as the Guarantor of the Elite Contract in Puntland.
          • Essentially Deni has been sanctioned in a very public and embarrassing way
            • This sanction is the same sanction the Elders placed before Jama Ali Jama when he wanted to drag Puntland into Arta against the consensus of the Elite Contract.
    • I can tell you no matter how much Debi huffs and puffs he knows from Boosaaso down and Gaalkacyo up, Puntland militias will dethrone him in Garowe if he does not obey the Elder's and especially Boqor Burhan's check placed in front of him about stopping and acceding once again to the importance of the Elite Contract.
    • Which means he is essentially a lame duck.
  • If he does not obey, I assure you Deni will be violently dethroned just like was done to Jama Ali Jama.
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⌃ i normally agree much with voltage. but i'ma have to disagree on PSF issue. Isse Mahamud n Omar Mahamud don't care about Bosaso seats. but it's becoming clear dat they don't wanna set a precdent of Puntland governor capitulating to rival warlord. as to Burhan n elders. don't think there were any Omar Mahamud on it. i think tha whole list was Osman Mahamud n minority tribes of Bari. tha same minority tribes that Osman Mahamud bullies.

n speaking of bullying. tha groups that were capable of bullying Deni r in south Nugal n north Mudug. those niggas hate Deni but wut they hate even more is setting that precedent for tha Garowe governor getting vetoed by rival warlord. circle back to Burhan. we have to remember as sahal pointed out that Omar Mahamud chased Osman Mahamud out of Garowe after tribal council elected Osman Mahamud as governor of Puntland. Burhan was supporting that tribal council overturned by AY. n that defunct tribal council had more clout

what's stopping war are the Americans. Diyana knows he has to leave though. tha 2 Osman Mahamud warlords r negotiating tha terms. how does Deni pay Diyana n wut equipment do Diyana 'hand' over for free, what does Diyana keep
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Voltage stop using SO nick unless you have always been the same person.

MJ should follow their late son Abdirizak Haji Hussein AUN. He was adamantly against federalism and was staunchly patriotic. Therefore to honour the late ex PM of the defunct Somali Republic beesha MJ should abolish Puntland and in return Somalia (separate from independent neighbour Somaliland) should become a decentralised unitary state composed of 14 regions and that all central government branches is relocated to Bosaso
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An agreement was reached, it seems that Deni accepted the ruling. However, apparently he is also trying to safe face publicly by pretending PSF handed over their weapons.
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Voltage what happens next though? Will he be able to steal the Bosaso elections now or not? That is the million dollar question. He did succeed in replacing diyaano.
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Months after Voltage was supposedly chased out by ustaad Sahal, his spectre still persists haunting this joint.
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is voltage silly? he quit over a silly argument which I read on a thread :lol:
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he really takes ignorant fadhi ku dirir trolls seriously :dead:
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Thecoolguysomali wrote: Sat Dec 11, 2021 3:00 pm is voltage silly? he quit over a silly argument which I read on a thread :lol:
You couldn't resist could you? :lol: :lol: Knew you were a desert rat.
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Voltage instead of deluding about PL politics.

Talk about Kismayo…….where Mx are person Non grata


1 thing that is sacrosanct is the Pl clans will never take up arms to topple a elected admin. No actors/groups can ever raise arms or create instability. Pl blood is precious. Pl clans look outside of pl to control. We do not destroy our own imperium/ Metropole !!

Understand hypothetically even if war happens who will be leader again ?? Another MS - so what changes nothing. ;)

It’s basically like house of saud. Different ruler same family.
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Re: From Voltage: Deni broke the Elite Contract in Puntland and he has to stand down or be overthrown like Jama Ali Jama

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Somalis are a funny bunch and this is common in every setting not just online. Instead of addressing the message or opinion of a person they will deflect it and just start addressing the person in general. The topic ain't about Voltage it's about Deni breaking the elite contract in Puntland. You either discuss with him or just ignore the topic. It ain't rocket science, low IQ Zoomalis.

Back to the topic.

I think Dani has made alot of enemies in Puntland with his non-diplomatic antics throughout the time he has been selected. I consider him the worst leader Puntland ever had. They should deffo get rid off him. I have noticed that he is also very stubborn in nature and he really sucks in political chess. He is a open book. I will put in him par with the Mucaaradka but he is slighty smarter than them perhaps he has better advisors.

The zanzibari looking guy is too emotional and too hot-headed to be in politics.
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Sbashi wrote: Sat Dec 11, 2021 3:27 pm
Thecoolguysomali wrote: Sat Dec 11, 2021 3:00 pm is voltage silly? he quit over a silly argument which I read on a thread :lol:
You couldn't resist could you? :lol: :lol: Knew you were a desert rat.
wallahi I read on some random thread that he would quit over some argument which is quite silly and it was with sahal or something anyway why would he quit over that?? he was such a good help to this forum that is why I am confused. this man has been on this forum for 13 years and quit over an argument which is weird.
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The funny thing is he stopped reading this forum a while back, he is half way across the world so when I ask him a question about something or ask him to explain something to me, it is in writing. I sometimes choose to post his responses to me if I find it interesting. :clap:

When I told him about posting this and showed him some of the responses, he just said "meh, they don't really understand the issue. This is not about Diyana anymore; when Boqor Burhan interfered, the judgement basically said this was now about Deni vs. the Elite Contract."
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Voltage and his propaganda.

Too emotional post himself.
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SultanOrder wrote: Sun Dec 12, 2021 8:17 am The funny thing is he stopped reading this forum a while back, he is half way across the world so when I ask him a question about something or ask him to explain something to me, it is in writing. I sometimes choose to post his responses to me if I find it interesting. :clap:

When I told him about posting this and showed him some of the responses, he just said "meh, they don't really understand the issue. This is not about Diyana anymore; when Boqor Burhan interfered, the judgement basically said this was now about Deni vs. the Elite Contract."
dashishle don't get anything through power though. they're more urbanize n wealthier than otha tribes in Bari. anything that tha dashishle got is 'cause of his personal connections, mahamud saleban's warped understanding of noblesse oblige n their sense of who represents dashishle in an attempt to maintain percieved tribal balance.

wut would be the worst consequence of any dashishle getting wronged by osman mahamud warlord? provoking anotha magerten warlord who was personally close to tha dashishle u wronged. or inadvertently harm tha interests of anotha powerful magerten tribe when u only mean to hurt dashishle. eitha way u provoke anotha powerful magerten warlord
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