Witnessed couple older MX gentlemen in convo today: What if MX govts had treated Xawaadle the way it treated Murursade?

[Gubbet]

They theorized it would have been "better" investment.

I was getting a sambuus and tea when their convo peaked my interest.

Maxamed Siyaad yuu kasoo dhex xushay entire government to be his real "mulkiile?"

Mohamed Sheikh Osman---the single most personally powerful in Kacaan after Siyaad.

Cali Samantar and Kulmiye Afrax and all these other guys were "institutionally" powerful they said, as their titles were 2nd in command but the most personally powerful made that way by Barre was Mohamed Sheikh Osman.

Through Mohamed Sh Osman and Finance Ministry, the entire Murursade became powerful. He birthed guys like Gaafoow, Xiireey Qaasim Weheliye and the Soap factory Warshada Bayl. "Ka duulay Digfeer ka duulay, ka degaay Dayniile ka degaay baa ka dhacday."

Farmaajo comes and names them Prime Minister. Through Kheyre every other week Dayniile was going one development ribbon cutting after another. Xaad went from petty reactionary elder's group to national audience prime time invitations to Villa Somalia.

Yet in both cases, the older gentlemen were saying, instead of not even doing them any abaal nor favor, they treated Marehan more like enemy than even Hiraab!

One gentleman said was "Yet even Hiraab has a reason, reerkaase our camels don't even meet, our lands don't even cross, we have no historical enmity, they might as well be Beesha Tunni to us due to how less we come across."

Another said "Yet we got Jacfar and their constant insults. And what did they get in 1992 but Kuwait moment and now we see them getting food embargo in Ceelbuur forget the bahdil in Benadir govt."

Then they said "As for us, by God's grace, maybe it is 'cuqubo' because Xawaadle deserved it if Marehan should have honored any group. Weyna dhaleen yet 'caasi' baan ku ahayn and we were not the greatest neighbor in history with them, and still yet Beled-Weyne was always our regional capital and they still are one of our most 'strategic near abroad'."

Then the oldest who was talking least said "Xawaadlena wax weey galaan and they have shown their 'gobness' (chivalry) by how they honor abaal when someone treats them honorably."



P.S. I have always agreed with the proposition MX should reorient their relationship with Beled-Weyne community.

P.S.S. Owqariib will come insulting in, but he knows the grievance of those elders has merit. Rarely has a group in power shown such goodwill to another group without strategic reason as MX national leadership has shown Reer Dayniile and have been treated so horribly in return.

[Smile-LiKe-SuN-RiSE]

Faramaajo picked dad uyaqaan…maxaa xawadle ka galay….hello ..maskaxda ha shaqayso

[ReturnOfMariixmaan]

Faramaajo picked dad uyaqaan…maxaa xawadle ka galay….hello ..maskaxda ha shaqayso

I’m hip. He not beezani

[Smile-LiKe-SuN-RiSE]

^

[SadSayyid]

Brother Gubbet, I pray you never enter politics. From wanting us to learn Maay-Maay to wanting to create more Irir politicians like Jimcaale and Sanbaloolshe.

The Kacaan Gov was never a MX government. I think you've spent so much time debating with ppl that you've accidentally internalised some of their beliefs.

Farmaajo made Kheyre PM. Where would he rather be though? With Faroole staring up at pictures of his previous Sultans and Kings.



Reminds me of a quote. "You can take the man out of the woods, but you can't take the woods out of the man."

You're wasting your time. You're handing out an olive branch to Xawaadle and Sahal is in another thread talking about how he borders HG east of Shilaabo.

Any MX who talks about Xamar or central Somalia equities needs a slap. If MX don't get Pres or PM for the next decade I couldn't care less. None of our business.

[Gubbet]

Faramaajo picked dad uyaqaan…maxaa xawadle ka galay….hello ..maskaxda ha shaqayso

I like Kheyre personally and professionally. But you can find a Kheyre in Xawaadle, in Gugandhabe, in any clan. Farmaajo specifically picked from Murursade and though one can make the argument his wife was Murursade I would argue that is not entirely causation. There was already a political precedent set by Siad and Mohamed Sheekh Osmaan who was made so powerful by Siad, Sh Osman's son "Michael Jiis" (Michael the lame legged) was the single biggest badly behaved elite kid in old Somalia doing things even the sons of Siyaad couldn't do.

Somalia politics is a minefield of alliances and who you pick represents the potential alliance brought to bear. That's what 4.5 represents.

Look @ Hassan Sh when he picked Hamza, he lost both Marehan and Majerten, the two biggest and most influential Darod constituency in southern Somalia.

For goodnessake as PRESIDENT OF SOMALIA, do you know how badly HSM's political capital was wounded off the bat when he couldn't even change a Dollow AIRPORT ADMINISTRATION let alone Gedo region? Do you know what his "war on terror" lost when Rer Caabudwaaq who as the Ahlu Sunnah they founded and unilaterally chose to fight Shabaab back from Dhuusamareeb and Guri-ceel (not even their territory) said "fock off" to Hawiye Galmudug asking them to join in their "Shabaab war." It is even possible you could have seen Marehan teknikos fighting in Hiiraan!

And if he didn't have Marehan, he got a vicious political enemy in Puntland that has never been so brazenly publicly antagonistic so early in a President's term before he has even completed year 1!

Somali waxay tiri nin iyo naag isma guursadaan, REERAA IS GUURSADO.

[Gubbet]

Brother Gubbet, I pray you never enter politics. From wanting us to learn Maay-Maay to wanting to create more Irir politicians like Jimcaale and Sanbaloolshe.

The Kacaan Gov was never a MX government. I think you've spent so much time debating with ppl that you've accidentally internalised some of their beliefs.

Farmaajo made Kheyre PM. Where would he rather be though? With Faroole staring up at pictures of his previous Sultans and Kings.



Reminds me of a quote. "You can take the man out of the woods, but you can't take the woods out of the man."

You're wasting your time. You're handing out an olive branch to Xawaadle and Sahal is in another thread talking about how he borders HG east of Shilaabo.

Any MX who talks about Xamar or central Somalia equities needs a slap. If MX don't get Pres or PM for the next decade I couldn't care less. None of our business.

I hate politics. I love "history" and "current events" give me the opportunity to observe history "contemporaneously" (as it is happening) which is why often you can find me presenting "big picture" bringing to bear historical lessons when I try to analyze a "dhacdo" (current event).

I don't care about what Sahal is writing about neighboring HG in Shilaabo? He is not even "in" Shilabo? Sahal asked me to leave him alone and I obliged and asked him for forgiveness to which he responded graciously. That's it. It doesn't mean I am then censored and cannot talk about being anti-HAG as a political philosophy or that he cannot talk about being pro-HAG as a political philosophy.

However, it is incumbent upon you to "correct" misinformation.

There is no Hawadle in Shilabo or really even any of the Hiiraan Hawiye clans. There is only really "Ciyoow" of Ayaanle Cayr from Galgaduud in Lababar having gotten there first because they were "allowed" to graze with Reer Siyaad under terms of "magangalyo" agreement (not necessarily "clients" but this was following Dabodheer famine in the 70's when Ciyoow were almost decimated and Reer Siyaad specifically gave them "humanitarian" oriented wide access to any of their grazing territory) when Menguste and the 1982 harrying of Marehan specifically took place in Ceelgaab. Really btw everyone in the entire landscape relaxed their rules for them, they just chose Reer Siyaad as Ayaanle has had a mind boggling love/hate relationship with us since time immemorial.

But in any case when the Marehan vs Menguste/Kulmis war begin starting 1979 to climax in 1982, they were left alone by both sides and through providential luck being right place at right time have been in Lababar ever since

It is really quite an extraordinary occurrence of chance.

Until recently of course when Marehan has started looking back at "all" his historical land.

But in any case, Ciyoow, Ayaanle, and really ALL "Non-Darod" are in about 5% of Shilabo.

Marehan is today singularly the largest community of Shilabo being in over 2/3 of the land.

Bah Geri are in about 15-20% and Ismaaciil Gumcadle in about 5%.

The rest of the land +-5% is an "active warzone" in the old Ceel Habreed grounds where Marehan has had a strict "reconquista" mindset demolishing more than a dozen hamlets and birkas (baraago) and really having pushed back the Matabaan community and any other non-Darod groups from Hiiraan who have been utilizing it.

Hawadle, Aw-Hassan, Udedjeen and the rest from Hiiraan are in "Shabelle" State which is where Ferfer kabele comes under part of "Gode" woreda.

They are not in Shilaabo.



We need to learn our geography sxb.

[Murax]

Professionally I have zero sympathy for Farmaajo. He caused his own downfall picking 2 PMs who stabbed him in the back.

[Gubbet]

Murax, Kheyre and Farmajo had 4 years of the best, most productive relationship in Somali history since 91 of any Somali leadership.

[Sauron]

When I see those lines drawn on some god forsaken barren lands I always lose it, comedy gold.

[Gubbet]

When I see those lines drawn on some god forsaken barren lands I always lose it, comedy gold.

You must be only looking at Google Satellite.

Try Esri ArcGis World Imagery, even ESRI ArcGis Clarity even, in face even try MapBox Satellite.

Marehan territory on the other side of border across from Western Galmudug is some of the finest, best grazingland even "wet" grassland in any part of Somali territory above the Shabelle.

Having driven through them and seeing the absolutely mind boggling number of Marehan camels and livestock, there must have been some serious evolutionary battles for control of Buuro Region by Somali herders in the distant past.

It's not barren at all. It can't produce the grasses that produce grains for human consumption, but it churns out the grasses required by 4 legged herbivores better than any of Somali territory above the Shabelle

[MandalorianDuulaya]

When I see those lines drawn on some god forsaken barren lands I always lose it, comedy gold.

Our brother here is a special man indeed..

[OwQariib]

Gubbet

Old MX knew what some of you new MX didn't know.

Murursade represents those Gugundhabe, Duduble, Shiikhaal etc in cultural approval as the other face of the "Hawiye Coin" as they know our history in Somalia and outside of it, meel aan Murusade ku jirin uma dhowaadaan ba. Why do you think Dagoodi and Murusade had good relations in Kenya in the 80s? Why do you think i argue with Sahal about Jajeele when he mentions Duduble? There are poems in that decade of Garre praising us helping their liberation front, the jeegaan side of the coin is the Orc regional alliance Hiraab and XL with XL at times on the fence. That being said we have no issues with our XL brothers in any leadership positon. Cali Jimcaale's Party in the 60s in a dossier asked Aden Cadde to appoint Cali Wardhigley his one time general secretary as PM among other candidates which was turned down. We lost alot of important areas to government conceded territory, so we see it as a consolation that we have had more influence in Darod governments. But i believe that's because when Darod came to Xamar they interacted with Abgaal and Murusade. For any government to have stability there must be an Abgaal or Murusade PM or President or Mulkiile. Otherwise you will have a Farmaajo Rooble JVA tussle in Villa Somalia with no stabilising factor. Don't let terms like Kuwait, Maqaar, 4Qooble iyo Heerdiid confuse you. They just professing my talent. Ask any Abgaal muxuu Kheyre ku sameeyey? The worst excuse i've heard yet was assasinating the Mayor! They angry at Kheyre for not doing enough for Hawiye which they are quicker to drop the moment it suits them.

When Barre's GJ wife had issues in the city the first clan she came to was us. Sheik Osman was a teashop owner who use to sell food and cigarretes to Barre in his officer days and regularly went on a tab while he was abroad. Barre always rewarded people he remembered that favoured him in some way. That's how Reer Sh Osman became influential even without a post. Some corrections, Hirey Qasim was a governor in the Italian era and he opened Bayl in the 60s. That man was said to own half the countrys wealth in 1995 according to Dool lol.

Murusade have always lived in the Faras Magaal. Hawiyaha dhexdood Karanle baa wax magaaleeya, in their oldest towns like Xamar, Marka, El Bur, Babili, Imi to Harar we have contributed heavily in industrialising. That's where our business accumen comes from. According to Xaad which i endeavour to not quote but for sake of information he said Barre use to call us "Hindida Soomaalida" because every 5 to 10km there's a milk and meat shop owned by Reerka. Murursadaha caanka hadaad maqli jirtay waa reer magaalnimada, even Hormuud the biggest firm today owned by a half blooded Murusade and co owned by a full blooded Murursade. Lately Duduble ayaa loo buunbuuniye laakin dadka isteerinka u haya waa anaka lee. And sure there are clans like Gaaljecel and XL likely to be bigger tribes but there's a reason Qanyare is the first name outside of Hiraab who had real power from 1991 to 2006.

Kheyre didn't owe Farmaajo anything. Several MX PMs were introduced to previous presidencies by Murursade brokers. Farmaajo and Kheyre got along until election time, the house of Darod needed political order and it was the job of your elders and politicians to work that out.

SadSayyid,

To pay a courtesy visit to someone's home especially an old but polarising figure like Faroole who insults Xamar regularly, faced an on air fkd battle with the Education Minister and had Garacad snubbed in favour of cutting ribbons in Hobyo i would say is a tanaasul that got him some reer Nugaal votes, people for a long time been calling him siyaasi saqiir ah but he is youth orientated and still liked in Puntland reer faanaaye faanka loo daaye lee waaye. Haduu doorasho dambe kusoo baxana isagaa i'm sure dhalinyarada reer Mudug oo dhan will be his biggest supporters xataa garoomo badan buu udiyaarinaaye.

[Gubbet]

What that man Faroole did is absolutely intolerable. I ignored it because I try to ignore that old man Faroole since I absolutely despise him. Wallahi those takes made me more personally admire Kheyre on on professional and personal grounds than I did before. What that man did in those videos is the definition of "saqajaanimo." And I would not hold Kheyre responsible if he turned around and said "Waad edeb darantahay waadna anshaq xuntahay odayahoo xunoo maangaab caqli laawa ah" because you can be absolutely sure he knew what the fock he was doing. Wallahi its truly sociopathic the pleasure you can imagine he was getting out of profoundly humiliating someone that did not implicate the imposition of it. Some people would truly punch him in the face and he would actually deserve it. That is beyond the pale intolerable.

[ReturnOfMariixmaan]

I hate all of you honestly. Really though