Muslim Leaders

[Beenlow]

Muslim rulers this day are just what muslims deserve. Look at the us, maybe less than 10% are following their religion while western muslims are busy clubbing and imitating kuffar all the way they can.

But when we talk about muslim rulers, we should be very careful of what we say, becuase it is xaraam to speak badly about them in public as long as they are muslims, no matter how bad they are. Most of the leaders are clear kuffaar, but there are still some muslim ones left.
Otherwise there will be fitnah, corruption and separation amongst the muslims.

We should obey them, expect if they command something against Islaam because there is no obedience to the creation in anything involving disobedience to the Creator.

You have to obey "Expect if you see clear kufr concerning which you have a proof from Allaah" as our Prophet SCWS stated.

Daleel from the Holy Qur'aan to obey leaders:

"Verily! Allaah commands that you should render back the trusts to those, to whom they are due; and that when you judge between men, you judge with justice."(4:58)

"O you who believe! Obey Allaah and obey the Messenger, and those of you (muslims), who are in authority. (And) if you differ in anything amongst yourselves, refer it to Allaah and His Messenger, if you believe in Allaah and the Last Day. That is better and more suitable for final determination." (4:59)

About this, ibn Katheer (Rahimahullaah) said: "What is apparent - and Allaah knows best - is that it is general referring to everyone in authority from the leaders and the scholars."

Ibn Taymiyyah (Rahimahullaah) said: "Those in authority are of two types: the scholars and the leaders."

Also other great muslim scholars share the same view as above.

Daleel from the Sunnah to obey leaders:

"Whoever obeys me, then he has obeyed Allaah and whoever disobeys me, then he has disobeyed Allaah. And whoever obeys the leader, then he has obeyed me and whoever disobeys the leader, then he has disobeyed me." (Bukhari, Muslim)

Abu Dharr (radiallaahu anhu) said: "Indeed, my close friend (Prophet) advised me to listen and obey, even if it to be a slave with deformed limbs." (Bukhari, Muslim)

And then, VERY IMPORTANT HADEETH:

Hudayfah ibn al-Yaman (radiallaahu anhu) said: "I said, 'O Messenger of Allaah, we used to be in evil and then Allaah came with good and now we are in that. So will there be, after this good, more evil?' He said, 'Yes.' I asked, 'How is that?' He said:
'There will be, after me, leaders that will not seek guidance from my guidance, nor will they follow my Sunnah. There will be among them with hearts of devils in the bodies of people.'
I said, 'What should I do, O Messenger of Allaah, if i reach that (time)?' He said,
'Listen to and obey the leader even if he beats your back and your wealth is taken - listen and obey.' (Al-Bukhari, Muslim)

Maybe now it's time like Prophet (scws) said in that hadeeth, but he didn't command us to revolt, he commanded us to obey. Every bad thing that happens to muslims, will be brought to account and recompensed on the Yawmal-Qiyaama.

Adiyu ibn-Haatim (radiallaahu anhu) said: "We asked, 'O Messenger of Allaah, we don't ask you about obedience to the righteous (leader), rather if he does this adn that - and he mentioned evil?' So Allaah's Messenger said:
'Fear Allaah, listen and obey.'" (Hasan based on other supporting narrations, recorded by ibn al-'Asim)

So, obedience to evil or righteous MUSLIM leaders is obedience to Messenger and Allaah, and disobedince is disobedience against Messenger and Allaah.

Bad leaders are punishment or trial from Allaah. We should be patient and make ducaa to Allaah that He makes our leaders better. What is your take on this?

[AMAT-ALLAH]

Very interesting read bro. One thing that stuck out for me is this quote;

Ibn Taymiyyah (Rahimahullaah) said: "Those in authority are of two types: the scholars and the leaders."

Now unfortunatly under the current situation, we have what we call it 'Leaders of Rhetoric', and the perfect example is Bin Laden&co, they use alot of emotive language and enough to language to fuel hate and anger among the community. Now they certainly dont fall on deaf ears, because they do have a strong fan base and with the Saudi's help of pumping money into the hardline Salafi and Wahabi literature, thats how their message is getting across soo fluently.

What slightly worries me, is seeing men with the typical long beard, well aged face and long khamiis thing that their appearance is enough to palce tem on the scale of 'leader'. The way of our Beloved Prophet(saw) in terms of teaching and seeking knowledge their is a chain of transmittion directly to the prophet (saw) that is required inorder to be a teacher. Now can we honstly say thats whats happening right now?

Me personally, i have 2-3 personally Sheikhs that i can got o about anything, and Alhamduilah im very fortunate because they all have that 'chain of transmittion' which is beautiful and eternal.

Salaams

[The_Don_of_djibouti]

Could you please tell me what is the problem with osama bin landen????

Are you hating for the sake of hating?
What did he do to you? personally?

[muslim-man]

Amat-Allah this where you go wrong walal,

Where did you get the idea osama bin laden is a leader??? whom does he lead and where is these salafi and wahabi issue coming from walal?? the last i checked someone explained eloquently the motive behind wahabi salafi myth, these terms were coined by westerners to devide the muslims further and it pains me to read well read and good muslims falling for this nonsense. fear Allah people there is nothing called whabi or salafi. islam is one, the quran is one and the sunah is one. if anyone goes against the teachings of the prophet and the holy qur'an, then he/she will reap the fruits of their labour on the day reckoning. sh abdul wahab or wahtever his real name lived and died in the 19th century, if he was good, he benefited his soul and if he was bad, then it is his loss. why should they worry you and why is wahabi an issue of significance importnace to the muslims of today:?

Allah says in surah baqarah the cow of the passt generations


That was a people that hath passed away. They shall reap the fruit of what they did, and ye of what ye do! Of their merits there is no question in your case (the cow)


110. And be steadfast in prayer and regular in charity: And whatever good ye send forth for your souls before you, ye shall find it with Allah. for Allah sees Well all that ye do.

lets be steadfast in prayer and try to purify ourselves rather than assuming things about sheikhs of whom we know little about their lives walal.

Benaale has brought forth clear hadith and verses from the holy qur'an that instruct you to obey your leaders no matter what unless they instruct you to do anything against the teaching of allah and the prophet pbuh for he said clearly in his post "We should obey them, expect if they command something against Islaam because there is no obedience to the creation in anything involving disobedience to the Creator"

p.s put this into consideration walaal.

"Bad leaders are punishment or trial from Allaah. We should be patient and make ducaa to Allaah that He makes our leaders better. What is your take on this"

[The_Don_of_djibouti]

Jazaahkaah allahuu gheer.
May allah bless you with your good deed

[AMAT-ALLAH]

Bismillah-Rahmani-Raheem

Muslimman

Binladen is not a leader????If recall correctly in one of his video tapes, and ''i lead those that fight in the name of God who oppress our people''--something to that affect. Walaal, he is an actaully figure for the muslim community who are very passionate about the misjustice and oppresion the western are liable to. He voices the very hardline radical interpretation of Islam. Now to anwer simutansouly DonofDj questions, one thing im disgusted about Binladen's 'tacktics' is lack of credibilty, he acclaimed to the 9/11 events and then publicly stated the western world are respnsible for it. I mean how puzzling is that comment. Nevertheless if he was not respinsible for 9/11 then how can u explain his further comments on how he praised the events and called for more of this kind. Donof Dj, here is how it makes it personal for me, my friend who is Columbian lost 2 generations of her family in the 9/11 bombing, and you want to know what they were doing??Cleaning after the Fat-Cats, the bourgoise, the heatly-weathly aristocrates. Were they not innocent??Were their deaths not accounted as INNOCENT???

Back to MM, its very clear and well known that Saudi have been the key donator for pumping their money into Salafi and Whabi literature and muslims our own people are very aware of this. This not a myth, that what we have are 3 divided ways/schools of thought that the Quran and our texts can be translated into, the literualist,reformist,rational ways. There is no fictional or western influence in that longstanded truth in Islmaic literature bro.

[muslim-man]

I have never heard of wahabis or salafis UNTILL i came to somalinet. i have heard of the shias, the ismailya and scores of other smaller sects but not wahabis. only after sep eleven or the last five years or so did i hear this matter becoming an issue among muslims yet the sheikh in question lived more than 100-150 yeras ago. that alone makes the motives behind the wahabi alarmists questionable dont you think??

like i said, there is only one sunnah and one qur'an, Allah says in the holy quran "wactasimuu bixablilahu jamiimaa walaa tafaraquu" hold unto the rope of allah steadfastly and do not devide. he also says


(And) if you differ in anything amongst yourselves, refer it to Allaah and His Messenger, if you believe in Allaah and the Last Day. That is better and more suitable for final determination." (4:59)


and this very important chapter as well

chapter 103

1. By (the Token of) Time (through the ages),

2. Verily Man is in loss,

3. Except such as have Faith, and do righteous deeds, and (join together) in the mutual teaching of Truth, and of Patience and Constancy.


everything intaas kasoo haro waa qasaaray.

wahabi yusan ku wareerin walaal. follow the sunah and the quran steadfastly and inshallah you will be guided.


wabilah towfiiq.

[The_Don_of_djibouti]

I will make it brief
Osama Bin landen never claimed personal responsibility with the bombing.
The bombing has been done by the 9 magnificent, young people who donated their life to catalyse the progress of mujaheedeen renaissance.
Osama is part of the ulema who preach physical confrontation to the head of all evils (the bastar USA).
Then we will wipe the scrounger so called kings and presidents beginning with the Arabia peninsula.

Osama bless them 9 youth and did meet some of the 9 suicide bombers.
In matter of fact I bless them as well.

With your Columbians friends as if there were worth more than the thousands civilians that the American killed in mogadisho.
We never planned to kill the Columbians. I tell you who to take your anger to.
Not osama but allah if you can.
Because allah fate put them on that location at the same day.

Allah teaching call kadaar, it is your time that came to end.
Westerners call it “collateral damage”.
Capish wallalo.


As a woman you are inclined to peace, I don’t preach you to follow osama bin laden.
Follow the teaching of our prophet.
But at least respect our ulemaah or you will answer your blinding hate to allah soon!

[AMAT-ALLAH]

My motives are not to divide the Muslim camp muslimman, we have done it to ourselves already. Im just telling you some home truths walaal, thats all. And thanx for sharing those ayah, really appreciate.

Salaams

[muslim-man]

dont get me wrong amat-allah, i never implied your motive is to devide the ummah. rather the division of the muslims by westerners using non-existant threats (wahabi salafi etec) to devide and rule the minds of the unsupecting muslims which unfortunately many fall for blindly.


"And thanx for sharing those ayah, really appreciate"

you are welcome walaal.

[biko]

osama aint no leader of mine nor does he deserve to be called a muslim leader!

lets cut the crap and be honnest about this osama dude; now personaly, the only reason i like him cos of the american body counts, but other than that he aint worth shit!

[The_Don_of_djibouti]

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[Aiman]

[quote="muslim-man"]

I have never heard of wahabis or salafis UNTILL i came to somalinet. i have heard of the shias, the ismailya and scores of other smaller sects but not wahabis. only after sep eleven or the last five years or so did i hear this matter becoming an issue among muslims yet the sheikh in question lived more than 100-150 yeras ago. that alone makes the motives behind the wahabi alarmists questionable dont you think??

[/quote]

I myself never heard of Wahaabi or Salaafi till after the 2001 five year ago from the kaafir western media which I never bought their lies. The kaafir media won the best of manipulating some Muslims who tend to be with less or they just believe everything the media tells them.

Personally I would tolerate if Osama would have ruled since his intention is was not to harm innocent Muslims world wide but I would never tolerate kaafir pets for oppresing fellow Muslims inorder to please the kaafir friend colleague; that itself is an evidence to show their alliance with the kaafir instead with the fellow Muslims.

For example (+chilli's post) how the so called "president" Musharaf praise the enemy of Islam Sharon called him a couragous leader (killing his fellow Muslims made him "courageous").

Turkey banning Hijaab is an evidence to prove their alliance with kufr system of law also are legitimate to be removed from power.

Saudi Arabia the mother of all hyporite regime don't need explanation everybody knows.


Muslim Man Beenale,thanks for sharing those marvelous englitening verses & Axaadiith with us Jazaaka Allahu Kheyr.

Amat-Allah,

I oberve you since you were in this site you used to be a hardliner conservative type of Muslimah but now you seem to buying those buufis of the western media (if wondering whether I'm br. wahsed by Al Jazeera the answer is no don't even have one and I rarely visit there site).
I used to admire your old character but not the new you. I presume that the General Board, the UK Camp Board, or the Nayaa Crew influence. Allahu Aclam!

No pun indended just thought I should let you know.


في أمان الله

[The Arabman]

[quote="Aiman"]Amat-Allah,

I oberve you since you were in this site you used to be a hardliner conservative type of Muslimah but now you seem to buying those buufis of the western media (if wondering whether I'm br. wahsed by Al Jazeera the answer is no don't even have one and I rarely visit there site).
I used to admire your old character but not the new you.[/quote]


From her writings, I too have observed a drastic change in AMAT-ALLAH's ideology. Her writings used to display a strong support for Islamic issues & causes, but that's no longer the case. At the very least, her current avatar is an admirable one.

[CaSaNoVa*]

Beenlow
You should change your avatar! its not doing you any good!