Wahabis, Salafis? Let us talk about it.

[The rebel]

What are the differences between wahabis and salafis?

Don't give me theories here. I know what Salafil saleh means. I am talking about the specific reform movement founded in Saudi Arabia by Muhammad Ibn Abdul Wahhab and others these days made Muslims divided and made them insult, trash each other and even call each other kafirs.

Please no fighting let us exchange what we know in civilized manners.

[Sir-Luggoyo]

[quote="The rebel"]What are the differences between wahabis and salafis?

Don't give me theories here. I know what Salafil saleh means. I am talking about the specific reform movement founded in Saudi Arabia by Muhammad Ibn Abdul Wahhab and others these days made Muslims divided and made them insult, trash each other and even call each other kafirs.

Please no fighting let us exchange what we know in civilized manners.[/quote]

<<<<<Muslims divided and made them insult, trash each other and even call each other kafirs. >>>>>>

If you know this much, then why start a controversial thread and expect ppl to be civil all of a sudden? Ppl in this forum have limited Islamic knowledge and sooner than later will resort to name calling and trashing each other, if you are genuinely seeking knowledge about such topics, visit relevant sites and save these skinnies some more dambi than they can carry, iyagaaba toodii la ilxune mid kale ha ugu darin

[The_Don_of_djibouti]

Waryaah Sir loggoyo kaah duurug meshaa!!!!!!!

anaga kuu salamaynaah ruuntaah.

I don't care about salafi, wahaabee or bin ladaneeya.

Waar do you believe on the koran as the final testament?
Do you follow the sunnah of the prophet mohamed as best as you can?

If your answer is yes to those simple questions.

Even get a new name like englania and i will follow you, listen to your serment and pray in your mosque...

[The rebel]

Thank you Sir by passing by my topic. I'm not dividing or inviting them to trash each other. I want them to bring their myths right here and we can educate each other.

I know enought about those groups and I can tell you that my self learned a lot from them. I want to correct the what people think about others and we may get close to each other once we understood where we comming from.

[LionHeart-112]

I have extremely limited Islamic knowledge and my sword is already known. Say one negative thing about my people and heads will roll.

[Sir-Luggoyo]

Don,

I totally agree with you, the Qur'an and the Sunnah should unite us, period. Anything else is just a myth created by divisive minds.

Rebel,

If you know about it, why don't you educate us

[The rebel]

Ok, Sir. I'll give my opinions and please I don't mean to offend any one. You also can state your opinion.

The Salafi are also known as Wahabi on the news although the way the West has portrayed Wahabi is pretty broad and usually incorrect. They are a movement in Islam of people who are trying in their own way to bring Islam back to its roots. They call themselves Salafi-us-Saleh because this was the name given to the first generations of Muslims. So, they are trying to emulate the first generations of Muslims by getting the practice and understanding of Islam back to its purest forms. Hope that helps. Any Salafi people who want to add or detract something from that definition, please do so.

While I respect the Salafi movement for a lot of things, I think my main problem with the Salafi methodology is the idea that it seems to teach that other methodologies aren't as good. They don't say this but in many ways, they imply this. For instance, they take information only from their Shoyokh. I also think that teaching such ideas has huge implications for people coming from a street culturen. But seriously, the main thing to teach a lot of the people should be patience, kindness, tolerence, and maintaining families because these things are more of an issue for the new generation. You can't just give them knowledge and load them up with Bukhari and tell them that they're better than everyone else for getting this knowledge. This just leads to cliquishness and arrogance and doesn't destroy some problems they came into the religion with. It also leads to a puritanical-ness that leaves no room for compassion. One Salafi sister told me one time, "We might not have the best adab, but we know our deen" . I know that this is not what the Salafi intend to do but they're not taking into account different cultural contexts and how their teachings will translate into those contexts. Again sorry if I offended- please let me know about it.

[dhuusa_deer]

[quote="The_Don_of_djibouti"] Waar do you believe on the koran as the final testament?
Do you follow the sunnah of the prophet mohamed as best as you can?

If your answer is yes to those simple questions.

Even get a new name like englania and i will follow you, listen to your serment and pray in your mosque...[/quote]

So, in your words, there is no place for hard/good work? Claim to believe in Quran and Sunnah is enough to get you into mecca and medina. But not a physician with Doctors Without Borders who's been treating muslim children all his life. Am right?

One question: why, then, do you muslims disclaim terrorists like London bombers or 9/11 hijackers? They believed in the Quran and the Sunnah.

[The Arabman]

A physician with Doctors Without Borders who's been treating muslim children all his life has done it for ulterior motives. Nothing is done for free, as almost everything is done for profits by Westerners. Of course, the physician's chief motive is to evangelize the muslim children, or "Westernize" (aka liberalize or moderatize) them if evangelizing fails. It's no wonder such a physician concentrates on muslim children, while neglecting millions of Christian children who have died and still die from wars, famine and disease in Africa (Congo, Rwanda, Ethiopia, etc).

[The_Don_of_djibouti]

Dhusoo maah caay baad uu xeesotay missey waax baad ewaydeesay???

Cos i really don't understand where ur question is leading to?
Where did i talk about doctors and nurses?
What is this disclaim about the terrorists while we are talking about something else.

There is a saying in somali.

Toogaah mahay taraafqaa.
While we r talking about sheep you are talking about chips

[dhuusa_deer]

[quote="The Arabman"]A physician with Doctors Without Borders who's been treating muslim children all his life has done it for ulterior motives. .[/quote]

If we are going to question the 'motives' behind why ppl do what they do, then NOTHING done by ANYONE can be objectively judged 'good' or 'bad.'

[dhuusa_deer]

The Don,

Stop futzing around, you know what I asked. If all it takes to for YOU to accept someone as muslim is believe in Allah, Quran and Sunnah...then you accept ALL muslims. The good, the bad and the very ugly. What place then for hard/good work, earning merits...

[The_Don_of_djibouti]

dhusoo i don't know how you are thinking or maybe you have a little knowledge about islam.

Islam is not based on bishop and priest where you get an interpretation about your believe or you pray through (intermediate) them.

The koran is set and not changeable.
Any sheek whether it is salafe or karashi will tell me exactly the same thing as the maclin kuran in somalia...

The sunnah (or way of life ) is about the prophet and not as about the average sheek in my mosque.
We follow the prophet not sheeks!!!

[dhuusa_deer]

The Don,

I hear ya but unfortunately you're avoiding answering my question. If all you need to accept someone is believe in Allah, Sunnah and Quran, what place for merits?

[The_Don_of_djibouti]

In The UK they got the conservative and the labour.

In islam we have the isbuu shaytan and isbuu islam.

Islam is not a meritocracy system our brothers/sisters are those that follow the koran and the sunnah.