Loose Change: The 9/11 Blockbuster Documentary...INSIDE JOB

[Gedo_Boy]

If 9/11 was an inside job done for Machiavellian objectives, the blood of 3,000+ Americans & tens/hundred thousands of human beings have been taken due to some of the worst evil ever perpetrated by human beings. Only Al Muntaqim can avenge this evil.

"And when it is said to them: "Make not mischief on the earth," they say: "We are only peacemakers.""


For those of you who haven't seen the documentary "Loose Change"........it is a MUST SEE!!!!!

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... ose+change

Among the interesting things in this documentary:

1. Close-up footage & sound of VISIBLE EXPLOSIONS occuring in various floors BEFORE the building collapsed. This is absolutely characteristic of 'controlled demolitions'.

2. Absence of any amount of significant debris in the Pentagon that would indicate a BOEING 757 crashed into there. The jet fuel did not burn at temps high enough to burn the engine, the fuselages, or the large structures. Similar BOEING crashes around the world look nothing like what was left in PA or the Pentagon. Plus, a BOEING 757 could not have made the damage in the Pentagon hole. It would have made MUCH MORE.

3. Financial transactions showing the offloading of BOEING, DELTA, & American Airlines several days & hours before it occured. The inside explosion looked consistent with a cruise missle. A helicopter & a C-130 was seen overhead the Pentagon just moments before impact. The space over the Pentagon is restricted air space.

4. Rumsfeld, Cheney, Jeb Bush, Khalilzad, Wolfowitz were all part of a think-tank in DC called Project for a New American Century (PNAC). They said for America to achieve its global strategic objectives for the next century, they would need an event on the order of a "New Pearl Harbor".

5. The initial binLaden press release denying the attacks & up close footage "recovered in Afghanistan" shows that the bin Laden in the video showing off about the attacks makes some serious blunders, like wearing a GOLD RING & the picture looks nothing like him up close.

6. The head of the Underwriters Laboratories, (the UL you see on all appliance labels) specifically states that the World Trade steel could not melt at the temperatures stated. He was later fired. Many experts & professors have completely contradictory statements within a few days, backtracking their original statements.

7. The World Trade & the other building that collapsed in Manhattan are the ONLY BUILDINGS IN THE WORLD that have "collapsed due to a fire".

8. Security was cancelled in the World Trade a few days before the events, bomb sniffing dogs were removed from the World Trade. Insurance policy was taken out on the World Trade Ctrs just weeks before the attacks.

[mahamed99_sex]

bush is my father.

nice video

[Gedo_Boy]

Did I also mention in the video where bin Laden claims the attacks, he is seen writing fluidly with his right hand even though he's left-handed.

As a left-handed person, I would never start casually writing with my right hand.

[michael_ital]

A friend from work turned me onto it. I have it on DVD. I tell ya, it's quite the eye opener.

[dhuusa_deer]

When believe is stronger than reason and evidence, the latter is pushed to the wayside.

Lets be honest here. NOTHING will convince skeptical muslim that 9/11 was the work of fellow muslims. Reason being Islam is flawless. Ostensibly, protecting the image of Islam overrides all other considerations. Including the truth.

[Gedo_Boy]

I think history will look at this and say:

"This single event has done the most to trigger the awakening & ascension of Islam in global affairs. Ironically, it was intended to destroy it"

But, that's all the future and we can't see that yet......too far into the horizon.....it's not predictable yet, probably classifies as an "unknown unknown" as Donald Rumsfeld can tell you:

"Reports that say that something hasn't happened are always interesting to me, because as we know, there are known knowns; there are things we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns; that is to say we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns -- the ones we don't know we don't know."

"I would not say that the future is necessarily less predictable than the past. I think the past was not predictable when itstarted."

[Gedo_Boy]

dhuusa dheer,

This is not an "Islamic documentary", it's one created BY average Americans FOR the average Americans.

Don't try too hard to appear too smart, let it come naturally or let it not come at all

If you haven't viewed the video, then view it before you make comments.

This has nothing to do with Islam, there's plenty of justification to believe it was staged from a purely Machiavellian point of view.

"The ends justify the means."

What are the ENDS? Ability to wage war anywhere & everywhere anytime. Just throw out the "remember 9/11" phrase.

If that's a coveted enough end result, then any MEANS are justifiable.

[dhuusa_deer]

[quote="Gedo_Boy"] But, that's all the future and we can't see that yet......too far into the horizon.....it's not predictable yet, probably classifies as an "unknown unknown" [/quote]

What an utter claptrap... me is prescient so in position of authority. I see the continual demise of Islam that commenced eons ago.

[Gedo_Boy]

After I've caught you in several shameless bold-faced lies with respect to scientific miracles in the Quran, I don't place much weight to your posts anymore.


But do me favor. Next time you want to use a 50-cent word like prescient, look up an example on it's proper usage.

BTW, didn't I say "I think history will....."

I didn't assert a fact, I gave my opinion.

[dhuusa_deer]

[quote="Gedo_Boy"]dhuusa dheer,
Don't try too hard to appear too smart, let it come naturally or let it not come at all [quote]

As anonymous guy on the net? Bit of stretch don't you think?


[quote]If you haven't viewed the video, then view it before you make comments.[quote]

Why?


[quote]This has nothing to do with Islam, there's plenty of justification to believe it was staged from a purely Machiavellian point of view.[quote]

The 19 martyrs of Islam disagree with you!



[quote]What are the ENDS? Ability to wage war anywhere & everywhere anytime. Just throw out the "remember 9/11" phrase.

If that's a coveted enough end result, then any MEANS are justifiable.[/quote]

And isn't that the paradox? On 1 hand, the US is accused of unilaterism and going alone. On the other, they're accused of fabricating bogus casus belli.

Tells in stark colors the split-mind of the Ummah!

[Gedo_Boy]

What's wrong with you? Your logic is severely lacking.

Either you don't know the definition of a paradox, or you don't genuinely understand what "The ends justify the means" implies.

Which one is it?

There's no paradox.....they are accused of unilateralism, but that is an acceptable consequence. Hence, if the ENDS are only being accused of unilateralism, then that's an acceptable sacrifice for the endgoal.

Understand?

Also, fabricating the bogus "casus belli" is generally and widely accepted as a solid fact even in mainstream media outlets.

There's even a PBS documentary about it called: "The Dark Side"

It can be found here:

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/

[Gedo_Boy]

"The 19 martyrs of Islam disagree with you!"


If you watch that documentary, you'll find that many of those "martyrs" are still alive & kicking in the Middle East.

[dhuusa_deer]

[quote="Gedo_Boy"]After I've caught you in several shameless bold-faced lies with respect to scientific miracles in the Quran, I don't place much weight to your posts anymore.[quote]

Where? Just fetch the said posts.

Yes, the Quran is full of scientific errors. Everything from astronomy to embryology to history. For example: creation of man which is completely and verifiably unscientific.

But you being a muzzie got ideological bent to upkeep at all costs Quranic inerrancy. So it was NEVER a serious and honest debate/discussion.

Don't kid urself kiddo!



[quote]But do me favor. Next time you want to use a 50-cent word like prescient, look up an example on it's proper usage.[quote]

Lool@50-cent word... u gotta be kiddin me? Since when did hip-hop artist own copyrights over english words.

Have it your way then. I lay my claim on historical patterns. No fallen empire ever came back to glory. Not the persians, romans, assyrians, greeks, egyptians etc etc.

Everyone gets ONE shot. Islam had it's.

[Gedo_Boy]

"50-cent word" has nothing to do with the rapper.

You say:

"Yes, the Quran is full of scientific errors. Everything from astronomy to embryology to history. For example: creation of man which is completely and verifiably unscientific. "


You are quite the audacious one aren't you?

Everything you said came right back as flat out wrong.......you even denied the work of leading Western scientists in the field that I referenced as being influenced by Wahabbists.

The creation of man is something there is no collective consensus about, something has to be PROVEN WRONG to be considered fallacious.

There is a lot of science we can't PROVE RIGHT at the moment........they are considered "theories" or "models"..........it's when you PROVE WRONG that the theory is debunked.

This is how science/mathematics works buddy.

So your best hope is to take facts in the Quran about something we KNOW 100% to be right (like embryology) and PROVE IT'S WRONG.

Understand?

[dhuusa_deer]

[quote="Gedo_Boy"] Everything you said came right back as flat out wrong.......[quote]

More unsubstantiated claims from you. You can continue sputter them till kingdom come, you really give me no reason to respond.



[quote]you even denied the work of leading scientists in the field that I referenced.[quote]


So what? Testimonies by leading scientist/s don't exonerate Quran's woeful scientific and historical inaccuracies. Refering to ppl of authority to make an arguement is well known logical fallacy called APPEAL TO AUTHORITY. Had it occured to you that these so called 'leading scientists' could be wrong? I don't even know what scientists you talking about.


[quote]The creation of man is something there is no collective consensus about, something has to be PROVEN WRONG to be considered fallacious.[quote]

Nothing can be proved wrong! C'mon man, that is just dumb thing to say.


[quote]There is a lot of science we can't PROVE RIGHT at the moment........they are considered "theories" or "models"..........it's when you PROVE WRONG that the theory is debunked.[quote]


Outside of mathematics, logic and to some extent courts of law, there is no such thing as PROOF. No scientific theory has EVER been proven right or wrong. NOt even gravity!



[quote]So your best hope is to take facts in the Quran about something we KNOW 100% to be right (like embryology) and PROVE IT'S WRONG.[quote]

Actually the Quran completely got it wrong on embryology. For example it doesn't seem to take into account the role the egg plays. It talks about the sperm something everyone knew had a role in reproduction.

Quran is wrong on creation of man, it's wrong on creation EX NIHILO, it's wrong on so many other points.