will the Palestinians ever get justice

[gobdoon]

Bush says the key to solving the current problem of the Israeli army bombing the palestinians is them releasing the missing soldier,how can he say that,is he nueteral at all what about the 1000's of palestinians in Israeli detention and still the majority of so called Midle Eastern governments see Bush as their close friend.IN THE MEAN TIME THEY ARE BOMBING ALL THE INFASTRUCTURE FOR CIVILIAN USE LIKE THEY DESTROYED ELECTRIC POWER GENERATOR,I WAS WATCHING YESTERDAY AN INTERVIEW WITH THE ISRAELI AMBASADOR TO THE UK IN CH4 TV AND HE WAS ASKED HOW DESTROYING INFASTRUCTURE LIKE THE POWER STATION IS GOING TO HELP THE RELEASE OF THEIR MISSING SOLDIER,SURELY IF THERE IS A LIGHT IT WOULD HELP BUT HOW IT'S GOING TO HELP IN DARKNESS AND HE COULDN'T GIVE A CLEAR ANSWER.

[The Arabman]

"is he nueteral at all"

What you're asking for is illogical; how can you expect from a Christian leader to be neutral towards Muslims, especially when it's about a conflict between Muslims and Zionists?

"the majority of so called Midle Eastern governments see Bush as their close friend."

Bear in mind, those are secular governments, and seculars represent a very tiny minority of the Islamic world, therefore, those governments do not represent the masses.

As for your question, "will the Palestinians ever get justice";

No doubt about that. Palestine has been occupied before by Westerners (Crusades); it was liberated by brave mujahideens like Salahudin al-Ayubi. Bear in mind, brave mujahideens like Salahudin al-Ayubi didn't liberate Palestine through peaceful means/methods or "negotiated settlement." Palestine was taken with force; it would be retaken with force, insha'Allah. The other thing, Palestine was in the hands of Muslims for much part of the Islamic history; the track record is in favor of Muslims.

[eyes-only]

I think its wishful thinking to expect the crusaders to provide justice for the Palestinians. They are pretty happy to continue to watch the ethic cleansing and continued terror campaigns against the Palestinians.

[Steeler [Crawler2]]

Arabman
Can you explain to me, with Israel in possession of a nuclear arsenal of some 200 warheads, how the great Mujahedin are going to destroy it? I'm dying to hear this.

[The Arabman]

"a nuclear arsenal of some 200 warheads"

Those warheads are for scaremongering; it won't and can't be used.

The West and/or the Zionist state has to prove it can defeat Islamist state(s) in order to prove their technological advantages is worth something. It has to prove it can decisively win when the Islamists' strength is at least a quarter of its strength (i.e., 1 Islamist tank for every similar 4 US/Zionist tanks). So far, the US (West) is heavily invested in securing secular governments as a front line or buffer against the Islamists, but that cannot go on forever. The US (West) is only delaying the inevitability; a confrontation against the real Islamic world.

[Steeler [Crawler2]]

Arabman
Normally I agree, nuclear weapons are useful for deterent, they can't be used. The exception to this would clearly be for a state who's survival is at stake, which Israels would obviously be in the scenerio you envision.

As for a US confrontation with the Islamic world. It's not just the US. The forces of Bhaadil consist of the US, China (we are codependents now), India, Europe, Japan, South America and much of sub-saharan Africa. It's a confrontation Islam can't win.

[fagash_killer]

no aslong the umma is divided than no, we can not sit right here and only pray how much did we pray and the situation is still the same this has nothing to do that god hates you the same thing when we umma lost alot of mens in the djihaad like the battle oehod god said to prophet muhammed you scared more the devil than me thats excetly what were doing today we think they rule the world they win evry war so we must be afraid so aslong we in that situation than no

[...Qaali]

Bush is not and has never claimed to be neautral! the way i see it the conflict in the middle east will go on until the day of judgement..... and only then will Palestinainas get justice!


Other Arab countries have long fought among themselves- they cant seem to get beyond futile matters.... they have poor leadership and could never muster the strength to stand united! How then can the Palestininas expect anything from them- they lost hope a long long long time ago and dont really care for Arab support- Iran is probably their only friend right about now!

[Adanna]

)arabman wrote: "especially when it's about a conflict between Muslims and Zionists"

Bravo for making the disticntion btw judaism and zionism. Some ppl have the tendency to start talking about jews..and it usualyy turns into one big anti-semitic slumber party.

MM wrote: "As for a US confrontation with the Islamic world. It's not just the US. The forces of Bhaadil consist of the US, China (we are codependents now), India, Europe, Japan, South America and much of sub-saharan Africa. It's a confrontation Islam can't win."

Your forgetting that the bhaadil (what the hell is bhaadil ) countries have a significant islamic minority. Take me for instance, I'm muslim and european, since I'm allowed to vote, my voice will be of significance to how the EU will deal. Another example; last year I was given a pamphlet that was propagating for a boycott of _all_ israeli products, and terms like "colonisers" and "apartheid" was used. Turns out the pamphlet was from the youth organization of a ruling party (social demokraterna), and their former leader, Ardalan, was a kurd ("middleeastern"). What I'm trying to say is, that in this conflict (Israel/Palestine), the palestinians might eventually win the public opinion.

[Steeler [Crawler2]]

Adanna
They can't win in the court of public opinion until they put an offer on the table. What is the Palestinian peace plan? Everyone is waiting to hear it.

[Adanna]

Hamas haven't been in power for that long, and already, a third of its canidates are kidnaped (not that I understand what that has to do with the kidnapped israeli). There's been talk in hamas about recognizing israel as a state, and being being more pragmatical in this whole issue. I say, give it time, I'd like to hear about their proposal too, but I don't see how that's possible when Israel shoots at the office of Haniya and imprisonates hamas canidates.

And exactly what do the israelis gain from a collapsed democratically elected goverment? A cynical move from a cynical bully!

[COOL-MAN]

"Your forgetting that the bhaadil (what the hell is bhaadil)"



badhil=an arabic word meaning the opposite of truth/justice (haq)

forces of badhil= group comprising of advocators for injustice in the world i.e India, Europe, Japan, South America and much of sub-saharan Africa.

[Adanna]

OK, it's official, I didn't learn sh*t in dugsi

I dont agree with ur def. thou..Sudan (the whole darfur thing), Saudi (sell outs), Indonesia (east timor thingy) and a bunch of other muslim countries should be included

[COOL-MAN]

"dont agree with ur def. thou"

That was mad-mac's def not mine and i agree wit him 100% .

" ..Sudan (the whole darfur thing), Saudi (sell outs), Indonesia (east timor thingy) and a bunch of other muslim countries should be included "


these ones u mentioned only dance to the tunes of the torch bearers of badhil forces. they are lap dancers to the bearers of torch of badhil aka "forces of evil"

[Steeler [Crawler2]]

Israel is reminding Hamas that there is a price to be paid for not recognizing Israel. And that price is death.