Of Darwinism Vs Intelligent Design !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Daanyeer]

Source: rense
By Peter Hitchens
12-9-6



I think Darwinism and Athiesm are on their way out. Darwinism is logically unsustainable. I've read a number of books on the subject. There is no proof that any creature evolved from any other creature.

Here in S.Africa and in Africa in general they like to take Darwinism and put a political spin on it and try to milk that for some kind of credit. The kind of lame thing they do is try to make all of humanity feel indebted to the first humanoids from Africa from whom all mankind spread. No doubt Africans would like to put a price-tag on this and "tax" the rest of the planet for all of eternity if they could.

The earth's dark and distant history is very murky... and I don't think one simple concept like Darwinism even comes close to providing the answers. If life and science has taught us anything then it is this: This world, everything in it, above it and below is - is EXTREMELY COMPLEX. Therefore, the history of the earth must also be extremely complex.

For example... what makes us think that we are the first and only sophisticated civilisation to have inhabited this earth in its 4.5 billion year history? Darwinism forces us to think this since Darwinism needs a lot of time for it to "work" (and even then it still has flaws). But... if Darwinism is not the answer... then our history may be even more complex, and other civilisations could have come and gone in the interim.

Is ancient history really a "straight line" concept, or is it a road that winds and twists and turns and forks? My money is on complexity rather than simplicity. Jan]

Intelligence and design
Read Peter Hitchens only in The Mail on Sunday

The large response to the item about 'Intelligent Design' only underlines the need for a proper debate about this interesting intellectual development, here in Britain. This might start with a bit more fairness and open-mindedness. I was, because I am not a scientist, very cautious about what I wrote here. I still am. I also didn't give my own view on the controversy. This can be summarised in the words 'I have no idea who is right... and nor have they'. Yet many of the responses from Darwinists were still actively hostile and angry, as if I had said a good deal more than I actually did.

Let me deal with one aspect of their attack on Professor Michael Behe and others. There's a great deal talked about how 'ID' is 'pseudoscience' and that there are no articles in support of 'ID' published in peer-reviewed journals. There's also a lot about how the 'overwhelming majority' of scientists accept the Darwinist position.

Much of this is not, as it appears to be, objective argument. It is just subjective use of important-sounding phrases to discredit an unfashionable idea. First, this technique greatly exaggerates the claims made by 'ID'. These are basically arguments about probability, which can't be resolved, and mainly act by widening the area of doubt.

As I tried to say, 'ID' is unlike Darwinism in that is specifically doesn't seek to offer a general theory of the origin of species. It is a sceptical current. It says 'there is something in the Darwinist argument which requires re-examination in the light of knowledge we didn't have until recently'. Here are a few questions. Since Darwinism is orthodoxy, on which many careers have been built and continue to prosper, is it likely that an attack which threatens that orthodoxy is going to be sympathetically treated by other scientists? That is specially so in Britain, where - as I understand - academics don't have the security of tenure which people such as Behe have in the USA.

There's another point in this. Try as I may, struggling with selfish genes, alleles and the rest, I cannot find any Darwinist argument which doesn't in the end rely on conjecture, backed up by the argument that it is the majority view. Well, a majority cannot make a falsehood true, and all kinds of things have been the majority view, from the idea that blood didn't circulate to the idea that iron ships would sink (and the idea that Anthony Blair was a refreshing and brilliant new feature in British politics). As for majority medical orthodoxies which have been totally mistaken, someone should write a book about them, as there have been so many. Unlike Darwinism, these ideas could be - and were - exploded by experiment and discovery. But Darwinism is all about events that happened when there was nobody there to witness them. And it is also about events which - if happening now - are happening too slowly for anyone to live long enough to see them. It is amazing how many supporters of this theory cannot see the difference between the micro-evolution of adaptation or alteration within species, and the far more ambitious developments of macro-evolution, in my view qualitatively different, which Darwinists believe in.

The fossil record is full of gaps and highly ambiguous. Species appear and disappear suddenly, which I should have thought would upset the Darwinist position quite badly, but somehow doesn't.

All I ask is that people keep thinking about this, don't get frightened of doing so, and don't try to frighten others into orthodoxy, or to misrepresent opponents' positions.

http://hitchensblog.mailonsunday.co.uk/ ... ce_an.html

[dhuusa_deer]

God Gave Me Everything
Mick Jagger


You Can See It In A Clear Blue Sky
You Can See It In A Woman's Eyes
You Can Hear It In Your Babies Cries
You Can Hear It In Your Lover's Sighs
You Can Touch It In A Grain Of Sand
Yeah Hold It Right There
In The Palm Of Your Hand
Feel It Round You Everyday
And Hear What I've Got To Say

God Gave Me Everything I Want
Come On
I'll Give It All To You
God Gave Me Everything I Want
Come On
I'll Give It All To You

I Saw It In The Midnight Sun
And I Felt It In The Race I Won
And I Hear It In The Windy Storm
And I Feel It In The Icy Dawn
And I Smell It The Wine I Taste
And I See It In My Father's Face
And I Hear It In A Symphony
And I Feel It In The Love You Show For Me

Yeah
God Gave Me Everything I Want
Oh Come On
I'll Give It All To You
God Gave Me Everything I Want

Come On
I'll Give It All To You
God Gave Me Everything I Want
I Can't Stop Can't Stop
I'm Still Looking Now
God Gave Me Everthing I Want
Oh Come On
I'll Give It All To You

Crazy You Said
It's All In Your Head
Chorus