WHY ARE THERE SOO MANY YOUNG BLACK MEN CONVERTING TO ISLAM

[lookz]

i came across a black froum and they where discussing why so many of there young black men turining to islam.. some off them where saying it is beacuse they are brainwashed ...

here some off the things there where saying

''''But over here, many times I've seen young Muslim men set up stalls with leaflets and handbooks containing quotes from the Qu'ran. Most of the time there's Black males: college kids aged 16, 17 years old upwards, absorbing the theories and taking in the conversation.

What does Islam offer to them that Christianity does not?

Is it Power over women? Focus and a direction in their lives? Controlling their own destiny, instead of "the man"? Or is it Respect, from friends and family, from a world which still doesn't value and respect Black men fully?''''''


The same thing that attracts many Africans the world over when they have been bamboozled by missionaries or faced cultural annilihation.
Islam is one of the greatest obstacles to Africans reclaiming their history/ especially when followed fundementally as the religion demands that all other beliefs are heathen ( a cultural attack which implies that alternative ways of representing the divine are inferior by default). You only have to look at the land south of modern Egypt where many of the obelicks and temples and books of learning were burnt following Arabic conversion and invasion. Even within the land which was Kemet Arabs used the shining white capping stones used in the construction of the great pyramids for use in their materials to build mosques and homes.

Craft and everday symbols representing the different aspect of the universal force are looked upon as "craven images" and idol worship.

An African muslim must by neccesity renounce his former history in Kemet and elsewhere on the continent as it is in contradiction with his/her beliefs.

BUT WHY DO YOU GUYS THINK THAT SO MANY OF THESE BOTHERS ARE TURINING TO ISLAM

[Seoma [Crawler2]]

before we guess we should ask them first. they've the answer.

[Advocatar]

because allah [ SWA ] open their eyes's to the right path.........

[eyes-only]

Who ever Allah guides none can misguide.

[J-EASY]

[quote="eyes-only"]Who ever Allah guides none can misguide.[/quote]

How do u ...explain these people.

http://somalichristians.org/

[eyes-only]

[quote="J-EASY"][quote="eyes-only"]Who ever Allah guides none can misguide.[/quote]

How do u ...explain these people.

http://somalichristians.org/[/quote]

lol

I guess you call them the misguided people. Whoever Allah misguides none can guide. May Allah guide us to the right path.

There have been reports recently that the largest number of bibles in af Somali have been published and are being shipped to Somalia. They are working to misguide the Somali Muslims to accepting their lies. But they are wasting their time because the ones in Kenya failed to convert Somalis from the truth.

[gedo_gurl]

Elijah Mohammed.

[J-EASY]

lol.......I rememeber back during the civil war .....The americans who came n provided aid.....were also converting n exposing innocent bantu's to christianity ......in order to get them to a safer destination.

[eyes-only]

There are some Somalis who claimed to have converted to Christianity to get to America but I don't think they really converted. Apparently there are also Somalis who claimed to be Jewish to get sharci in Israel.

[lookz]

somalis are just like any other people in the world....
i didnt know there where such thing as gay somalis... but guess what there are...
so,... what if there are chirstan somalis...
that should be a shock..

[fagash_killer]

[quote="gedo_gurl"]Elijah Mohammed.[/quote]

yes indeed elijah mohammed and the 5 procent nation. did you guys knew that most of the black rappers are a member of the 5 procent nation

The Nation of Gods and Earths, commonly known as the Five Percent Nation or the Five Percenters, is a social revolutionary movement. It was founded in Harlem in the late 1960s by Clarence 13X, who proclaimed himself to be Allah (the Arabic term for God). The Nation of Gods and Earths angered religious and political leaders, who viewed the group as a radical offshoot of the Nation of Islam, which was already viewed by traditional Muslims as heretical. This came with the Nation having stated its predicted coming, and its goal of seeking freedom, justice, and equality from economic, political, social, and religious injustices in the United States and the world over.

Contents [hide]
1 History
1.1 Founding
1.2 Conflicts
1.3 Spread
2 Teachings
2.1 Universal Flag
3 Philosophies of the Nation of Gods and Earths versus mainstream religion
4 See also
5 External links
6 External links



[edit] History

[edit] Founding
The group was founded by Clarence 13X (Clarence Smith), who was deified by Five Percenters as Allah, and was also called the Father or Father Allah. He is credited with originating the teachings that form the foundations of the Five-Percenter movement. Clarence 13X, a Korean War veteran and martial-arts expert, was a member of the Nation of Islam, and attended NOI Temple #7 in Harlem, New York, where Malcolm X was a minister from 1960 to 1963. Following his questioning about the unique divinity of Wallace Fard Muhammad being in opposition to the core teachings of the NOI, which taught of the divinity of all Black men, Clarence was disciplined by the group, and he was eventually excommunicated sometime in 1963. This led Clarence 13X to shed his Muslim name and beliefs, and to teach his own interpretation of NOI beliefs. He found success in late 1964, with the disenfranchised youth on the streets of Harlem, and won many young converts to his movement. The Five Percenters established a headquarters in Harlem, New York, known as the Allah School in Mecca, in 1967, with the help of the Republican Mayor of New York, John Lindsay, and his assistant, Barry Gottehrer.


[edit] Conflicts
The schism between Clarence and the NOI led to numerous confrontations. The murder of Clarence 13X in 1969 remains unsolved, but has been blamed on a number of different culprits ranging from the FBI and the New York Police Department to the Nation of Islam. The murder was a blow to the movement, but according to the direct orders of Allah before his departure, some of Clarence’s earliest disciples, a group of nine men who were called the First Nine Born, carried on the teachings, and an acting leadership role was assumed by Allah's good friend, Justice. In the years to follow, the Five Percenters gained a varied reputation, from being called an unruly group of Black teenage thugs—even categorized as a gang by some—to being known as outstanding members of and contributors to their communities.


[edit] Spread
From the late 1980s until today, many Five Percenters are found among the East Coast, West Coast, and Midwest in cities such as New York City, New Jersey, Philadelphia, Chicago, and Los Angeles, especially among the hip-hop scene. Hip-hop artists such as Rakim, Wu-Tang Clan, Brand Nubian, Busta Rhymes, AZ, Poor Righteous Teachers, Papoose, DK Music Group- Moorish American, and many others had success spreading the theology of the Five Percenters. This spread, in part, uses the coded language of Supreme Mathematics, which represent universal law and order, and the Supreme Alphabet, which represent universal principles of life, ostensibly to forge solidarity with the inner-city youth through a common language. The main theme of the Five-Percenter doctrine that can be heard on hip-hop records is the teaching that the Original Blackman is God, the Original Blackwoman is the planet Earth, and through the inner esoteric powers of the Gods and Earths, the youth can transform and possess their true potential, which seems to overthrow the overbearing oligarchy by becoming just rulers of themselves. Many terms that originated as Five-Percenter jargon have been adopted into the hip-hop lexicon as well.

In recent years apologists and members of the Nation of Gods and Earths have claimed the organization to be a social movement, but the great majority of scholarly articles and books on the subject classify the group as a religious movement. They teach that any man is God regardless of whether they are Black or not.

Other groups consider them to be racist. However, the official stance of the Five Percenters is that they are neither “anti-white nor pro-Black,” but are instead “pro-righteous and anti-devilish,” positioning a person's works over his/her skin color. Therefore, The Five Percenters as a whole do not consider themselves to be racists.

Many wonder how this type of teaching could have come about during the Civil Rights movement. The Five-Percent ideology must be understood in the context of opposing the ideology of white supremacy and all other kinds of racial supremacy itself.


[edit] Teachings
Although some apologists for the NGE claim that doctrinally, the difference between the Nation of Islam and the Nation of Gods and Earths is more a matter of degree than principle, it is important to note that the original schism between the NOI and the NGE was Clarence 13X’s refusal to accept the sole divinity of Wallace Fard Muhammad. In this way, the NOI is like other mystery religions substituting Wallace Fard Muhammad as the focus of worship.

The members of the NGE view themselves as their own God (both individually and collectively the Original Man). Five Percenters sometimes refer to themselves as scientists, implying their search for knowledge and proof, and not beliefs and theories.

The teachings of the Nation of Gods and Earths are passed on through oral tradition, much like the griots of west Africa. The advancement of a Five Percenter is based on his or her memorization, recitation, comprehension, and practical application of the Supreme Mathematics and the Supreme Alphabet—lessons written by Clarence 13X, and also 120 Lessons (a revised version of the Supreme Wisdom lessons of the NOI written originally by Wallace Fard Muhammad and Elijah Muhammad).

The basic teachings of the Nation of Gods and Earths are as follows: People are the original inhabitants of the planet Earth. People are the fathers and mothers of civilization. The science of Supreme Mathematics is the key to understanding humankind's relationship to the universe. Living out the culture of Supreme Mathematics is their natural way of life. Education should be fashioned to enable people to be self-sufficient as a whole. Each individual should teach another individual according to one’s knowledge. The man is God, the Supreme Being. Children are the link to the future and they must be nurtured, respected, loved, protected, and educated.

Five Percenters also teach that people specifically, and the entire world population more generally, can be divided into three groups:

The 85%, who are the humble masses, mentally deaf, dumb, and blind to the truth about themselves and the world in which they live.
The 10%, who understand much of the truth but use it to their advantage to keep the 85% under their control through religion, politics, entertainment, economics, and other methods.
The 5%, who are the enlightened divine beings, having repossessed knowledge of the truth regarding the foundations of life and of oneself, and seek to liberate the 85% through education.
Note: These figures, according to most Five Percenters, are not meant to be exact but are instead meant to represent the public, the religious and political rulers, and the few truly enlightened people on earth, respectively. The numbers used point out common traits to identify the members of these three groups and can be fully understood using the language of Supreme Mathematics.

The usage of the description of Asiatic is in reference that civilization originated somewhere in the area of ancient Persia/Babylon (Iran/Iraq), between the Tigris-Euphrates rivers (according to religious teachings). This area is normally considered Southwest Central Asia (or middle-east) geographically, however most modern-day Southwest Asians do not refer to themselves as Asians or Asiatics, but as their nationality (i.e. Saudi Arabian, Turkish, Iranian, Jordanian, etc., or simply Arabs or Middle-Eastern). In Five-Percenter usage, however, the word “Asiatic” is broken down into something completely different from its dictionary definition.

[edit] Universal Flag
The Nation of Gods and Earths’ Universal Flag is the group’s official trademark, which consists of a sun, moon, star, and the number 7. According to its doctrine, it represents the Original Family as the following:

7—The number held sacred in many ancient and modern traditions. It symbolizes Allah. In Supreme Mathematics, the number 7 represents God.
Sun—Another symbol of the male, the Truth, and the Light. The points around the sun symbolize the expanding universe.
Moon—The crescent moon symbolizes wisdom and women.
Star—The five-pointed star symbolizes knowledge and children as the beginning of a new sun.
The eight-pointed star represents the NGE Lessons of self-Awareness:


1. The Supreme Mathematics

2. The Supreme Alphabets

3. 1-10

4. 1-14

5. 1-40

6. 1-36

7. Actual Facts

8. Solar Facts


[edit] Philosophies of the Nation of Gods and Earths versus mainstream religion
While the Nation of Gods and Earths uses terms that are similar to those used by traditional Muslims and have a small percentage of individuals among them who refer to themselves as Muslims, the Five Percenters and traditional Muslims have very little in common. Authors have labeled the Five Percenters as an Islamic group because of its origins from within the Nation of Islam, the terms it uses, and because of its practice of not eating pork. However, it does not follow the restrictive laws of the NOI nor does it follow traditional Islamic teachings based on the laws written in the Qur'an or Muhammad’s Sunnah. The Five-Percent rebuttal to this has been that it is not a religious movement, and that as God themselves, the only one they must submit to is “self.” In traditional Islam, this is considered a heretical, blasphemous concept and a violation of the most basic Islamic tenets, since it is considered a grave sin to associate any human being or object with God. The official stance of the Five Percenters is that they are not Muslims, nor are they bound to any religious laws.

Furthermore, the Five Percenters, in referring to themselves as Supreme Beings, point out that most, if not all, ancient scriptures allude to the anthropomorphic qualities of the gods of different religions, and that religious teachings over time have strayed away from this concept. The Five Percenters use ancient teachings that predate monotheistic religions to verify their deity status. Another defense for not adhering to modern-day religion is their claim that the teachings of all major prophets have been distorted over time, whether by translation into new languages or by intentional tampering. This can produce bigotry and zealotry in well-meaning believers. Thus, according to the Nation of Gods and Earths, it is better to study as many different religions and cultures as possible, to find the common truths in them, rather than focusing on the differences between them. This way, one finds his or her unique and most productive path to the Knowledge of Self. Traditional Islam also forbids any consumption of drugs or alcohol, but Five Percenters do not observe such restrictions.

[fagash_killer]

i found the lyrics of lord jamal representing the 5 procent nation

[Intro: sample (Lord Jamar)]
All the brothers from Brooklyn, will you raise your hand, thank you...
All the brothers from Manhattan, will you raise your hand (uh, uh)
All the brothers from the Bronx, will you raise your hand (yeah, a Universal fam)
All the brothers from Queens, will you raise your hand (oh.. NGE)
All the brothers from Staten Island, will you raise your hand (uh, ok)
All the brothers from Westchester, will you raise your hand

[Lord Jamar]
Yo, check me out, General Monk-Monk style
Run devils across the desert, two thousand, 200 miles
And make 'em walk every step of the way
Strip 'em down, take everything away
Send 'em to the mountaneous caves
Two thousand years of lonely stage
Musa slept in the ring of fire
Bringing knowledge of how to steal & be a liar
He tried to be a civilizer, thirty three & one third degrees
Wiser, we taught him how to build a home
And how to live a respectable life
And how to master the original man
Which was the plan of the father as a boy
Now six years old, playing with steel
He saw opposites attract and that everything's real
And if you put your mind to it, by the force of your will
The thoughts manifest to be able to kill
I'm just glad we to the point, that we able to build
If we could only stay able, maybe we will

[Chorus 2X: Lord Jamar]
Original man is first
I wanna say peace to the Gods & the Earths
My universal fam, living out the universal plan
Aiyo, tell 'em who I am (G-O-D)

[Raekwon]
We at the minds prayin', nickel bags of black
Foto stacks, it's ganja season
Yeah, now, what up, my dude 'lax
Yo, blowin' coffins, keep bagging
We gon' show the government it ain't about blacks
It's only bout stacks
Furnish labs, ballin' crabs, Houston Oiler mask
Reeboks, tennis yellow, fellow goin' mad
The game is stupid, these teams, they keep sneechin' yo
What's the reason? Too much flower, to get records to rag, yo
I'm one of the rap's boldest, fold-smith
Paper cut in my hand, I got eleven fingerprints, hold that
Back to the filty ugly, Bugsy, rugby thugs
With no love, slugs, silver ones throw these
Split niggaz temples, forget, the shit's freshly squeezed
Roll that Nestle, the vet's seen in rentals
Fly language, lick the sawed-off and spray you
Aiyo, Allah is one, I'm done, no playin', nigga

[Chorus 2X]

[Lord Jamar]
Yes, last Sunday of the month, so to Harlem we went
No clubbin', for parliments and Harriett Tubman
Peace to the Gods, peace to the Earths
Peace to the Seeds, peace to the Birth
Of the Nation of the Five Percent, rap sent
Intelligent brothers, to represent
Allah Justice made the knowledge born
You find the Gods from the jails to the colledge dorms
You got to 'know the ledge' to 'wise the dom'
And understand your culture of freedom
Power Equaly with the Gods
So you can build and born your cipher, uh
All your life, you must teach truth
Of the true and living God not a mystery spook
And when you do that, persue that goal
Which made the student enroll
And only then you'll prosper

[Chorus 2X]

[Kasim Allah]
I am he who, wrote the Bible and Koran
Who is, walked on this planet, from knowledge to born
Lead in the right direction, easily I
Offered jewels to those in need of protection
Use mathematics to gain answers to questions
Came Kasim God Allah, true forth
And proved sun, moon & stars
Raised from the dead by science
To the knowledge of God now I knew what civilization means
And I strive to teach that to these cats
For that teams that, think I got a pin stuck in they head or something
Walking around, but they mentally dead
They ask for jewels and I give 'em bread
Some digest that food for thought, that they was fed my
Wisdom bears fruit, Arm Leg Leg Arm Head
Supreme being black man, in dred, I, share equality
With Jamal I spread, put fire in your bald head
With ghetto messiah, truth bringer in emense of these
Snakes I, make knowledge born, going through whatever it takes
Whether I build or destroy, I can cause earthquakes
Adding on to the positive shining light
As this Earth rotates.. it rotates, it rotates, it rotates...

[Advocatar]

nation of islam are kuffars................they believe that allah is black, elijah mohemed was a prophet, I know that because I once attended their temple [ not masjid ], they also dont know pray.

then there's the sect called walas diin, started by elijah mohamed son, not as bad as the nation cus they pray even though it's highly influenced by the opinion of maxamed diin.

[Broud-SeesTar]

In our school we have masha'allah about 10 or more afro'merican brothers who converted. Masha'allah i have to say they look AMAZING soo respectful and kind, they have the beard and all wear the little kofiyah and dress like sheiks and these dudes are not that old in they'r early 20's if not younger..i happened to know one of them his sister is one of my bestfriends we all went to high school together i believe he's 2years older than iam..anywho at the begininng of this school year i found out we attended the same college and so we became closer and one day in the early days of Ramadan he says.."I've decided to become a muslim and i will be converting no later than this month and start fasting...etc." wallahi i was suprised this is a guy who deals(xashiish) has been t0 jail, frikkin wore baggy jeans and was too thuggish..i didnt believe him at first but wallahi im soo proud. He even changed his name to Jahlil<...very beautiful name.

[Padishah]

All the converts I've met here are really young or older White men. Ah, its so good to get into a philosophical discussion with one of them, who was a Philosophy lecturer. Only thing is, there is hardly any traditional Islamic teaching in Australia. Most of it is done by Salafi's, and neo-Hanbalites.