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Do you agree with this plan

1/ yes
17
41%
2/no
12
29%
3/ I am from somaliland and under no circumstance shall we reunite with Somalia
12
29%
 
Total votes: 41

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Re: Important discussion

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Al Hamdulilah we're making progress as far as the polling goes .
The first Union between Somaliland and Somalia was based on love and the general euphoria that followed the independence of the Somalilands by the colonial entities . This time around my friends we need to build something that will last God willing . I have identified in my plan the different friction points , or where the tectonic plates rub each other in the Somali poltical landscape . We as Somalis have endured one of the most unforgiving course of events in the second part of the century , I believe we can do it . We will encounter obstacles along the road , but together we are equipped for it . We could for example set up a committee of elders from all tribes { 1 Hawiye, 1 Raxanweyn , 1 Isaaq,1 Daarood, 1 Gadabursi, 1Bantu,..} sort of a response team that would get dispatched on scene to meet with the various local clan elders to resolve the problem , when and wherever something happens . God willing , people after a little while will get used to living with each other , we won't need them anymore . Anigu askariga markaan aha , labadi isku bilowda e la kala qaban kari waayo , meel baa lagu soo wada xidhi jiray . Kuwi oo garabka is haya , ayaa ka soo bixi jiray "jail"-ka :lol:
If you don't believe in yourself and your God given capabilities , you have NO RIGHT to ask anyone else not to follow his dreams .

PS: For those of you who think I am distinguished by frequent changes of direction , I have always wanted to have all the somalis living in peace with each other . I have tried once before , but I didn't have " le vent en poupe" like we say in french.
You know Vasco de Gama got stuck in Sout East Africa for a while on his way to India . Do you know why ? He was waiting for the winds to change their direction . That's how Mozambique became a portuguese colony . :lol:
I am not trying to compare myself with Vasco , but you have to wait for the right conditions , so to speak .
I am asking you to support my plan , the fact that i am taking shots from all sides should tell you that , this sh,it is fair .
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Re: Important discussion

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State Governments where "two or more regions federate, based on their free will."
The federal constitution says that 2 or more regions can form a state and i believe if your clan can`t form a state well that is your problem
It’s true when they says hawiye and isaaq worst nightmare is a federal system

when push comes to shove and somalia get balkanized well everybody will have his own land and weather you join Ethiopia, Kenya, djoubuti or have an independent state is up to you but for now everybody follows the federal constitution

I am a great believer in puntland and jubaland republic as members of the united nation
I believe daarood doesn`t need Somalia, we are the largest real estate owners in Somalia so who needs who

Its federalism kids
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SahanGalbeed wrote:Al Hamdulilah we're making progress as far as the polling goes .
The first Union between Somaliland and Somalia was based on love and the general euphoria that followed the independence of the Somalilands by the colonial entities . This time around my friends we need to build something that will last God willing . I have identified in my plan the different friction points , or where the tectonic plates rub each other in the Somali poltical landscape . We as Somalis have endured one of the most unforgiving course of events in the second part of the century , I believe we can do it . We will encounter obstacles along the road , but together we are equipped for it . We could for example set up a committee of elders from all tribes { 1 Hawiye, 1 Raxanweyn , 1 Isaaq,1 Daarood, 1 Gadabursi, 1Bantu,..} sort of a response team that would get dispatched on scene to meet with the various local clan elders to resolve the problem , when and wherever something happens . God willing , people after a little while will get used to living with each other , we won't need them anymore . Anigu askariga markaan aha , labadi isku bilowda e la kala qaban kari waayo , meel baa lagu soo wada xidhi jiray . Kuwi oo garabka is haya , ayaa ka soo bixi jiray "jail"-ka :lol:
If you don't believe in yourself and your God given capabilities , you have NO RIGHT to ask anyone else not to follow his dreams .

PS: For those of you who think I am distinguished by frequent changes of direction , I have always wanted to have all the somalis living in peace with each other . I have tried once before , but I didn't have " le vent en poupe" like we say in french.
You know Vasco de Gama got stuck in Sout East Africa for a while on his way to India . Do you know why ? He was waiting for the winds to change their direction . That's how Mozambique became a portuguese colony . :lol:
I am not trying to compare myself with Vasco , but you have to wait for the right conditions , so to speak .
I am asking you to support my plan , the fact that i am taking shots from all sides should tell you that , this sh,it is fair .
adeer somali wa dir iyo daarood, dirta ha no kala saarin
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Re: Important discussion

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Part of my plan waxa ka mid ah , inaad doqonta iyo nijaasta ba u dul qaadato .
Plan xun ma'aha wallahi.
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Sahan havent you seen enough evidence that Somalis are not ready for peace.
I have posted other hypothetical solutions and suggestion for future unity of the somali people and i was attacked.


People outside somaliland are still stuck with the view that somehow miraculously there will be a strong central government in xamar that will be controlled by their qabiil and will rule the rest of the somali lands with a firm grip.

They do not understand the need for give and take and compromise , and my suggestion of a union with conditions was seen as a sign of weakness.

No my friend it is clear that they need more time , we are not there yet.
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this would be a good idea only if Somaliland federal state becomes inclusive and the power and wealth is distributed equally for the 5 provinces,, not only for two provinces like the way it's now, if this condition is fulfilled i agree.. even though decentralized state is preferable to me than federalism, but 3 federal states is still better than 35 states!
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for us to be included within somaliland, even if they accept federalism, is unacceptable to us.
khaatumo will be a self governing state of federal somali republic.
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original dervish wrote:for us to be included within somaliland, even if they accept federalism, is unacceptable to us.
khaatumo will be a self governing state of federal somali republic.
Then admit the fact that khatumo is not about somaliwyen but about khilaf ka dhexeeya habar Jeclo iyo dhulbahante :!: That is what cali khalaf said anyway ..


What is important here is that people of Somaliland should move and make peace between these two tribes and not get deceived that it is a problem between two states. It is the usual land problem between two brothers, habar jeclo and dhulbahante....

back to topic, I hate when people talk about the union as if it is a love story between two couples....like we have a "it is complicated" status now between somaliland and somalia. The truth is, the issue is not romantic and it never was. in 1960 we didn't unite with Somalia to form the somali republic just because we love somalias? Were our grandfathers angels? No they fought each other's tribe, and you are talking about loving somalis in far places?! :| ...niga please! we did the union because just 6 years before our independence, Britain has signed a treaty with Ethiopia in which we lost the land of Hawd, which is around 20% of the original somaliland. We were mad and angry and all what is to unite with Somalia -even with no conditions- just to get that land back, including the Ogden.

The rest of the story is all known to us....

now, in 2012, and after all what have happened, what kind of a logic makes us unite with a weaker Somalia governed and protected by Ethiopian forces?

in other words...

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Re: Important discussion

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Mondey wrote:this would be a good idea only if Somaliland federal state becomes inclusive and the power and wealth is distributed equally for the 5 provinces,, not only for two provinces like the way it's now, if this condition is fulfilled i agree.. even though decentralized state is preferable to me than federalism, but 3 federal states is still better than 35 states!
if I think from a clannish protective like you do, I will go and say....
As a Sacad muse I have more issues and problems with Somaliland than you do as Samaron..

-I never had a presidency like you did
- I pay for most of the taxes nationwide

Yes i feel there is problem with the government and i am not satisfied.

But as civilian people, we should seek change though democratic and civilian channels and not though anarchy and more divisions... we want to move to more multi-clan democracy and we've doing good job but we are not perfect yet, and this samaron-land/dhulbahanhne-land is a backward step and waste of the time and energy .....and in the end, whether it is Somalia or Somaliland, no one will support anarchy :!:
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Re: Important discussion

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I appreciate everybody's input eventhough the tribalistic agenda of some is clearly coming out .
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Re: Important discussion

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our fight is not with h/jeclo, but all issaqs.
khaatumo was formed as a political expression of its peoples will.

we dont hold any animosity towards somalia, but see it as our natural home.
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Re: Important discussion

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Listen here , don't let this internet thing get to your head , you're really nothing other than a seasonal pain in the rear
Every little subclan cannot and will not have his own administration , it is just not feasible .
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Re: Important discussion

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Bullshit, who are the little ones you forgot, are Jambeel Koombe not counted?
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Alphanumeric wrote:Continue to rely on qabiil, and we'll never get out of this mess.
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Mondey wrote:this would be a good idea only if Somaliland federal state becomes inclusive and the power and wealth is distributed equally for the 5 provinces,, not only for two provinces like the way it's now, if this condition is fulfilled i agree.. even though decentralized state is preferable to me than federalism, but 3 federal states is still better than 35 states!
Waar i dont not wat ur complaining apart samaroon n awdal hve power n wealth shhh nearly 10 yrs of presidency n stillur not happy

I voted Sl is better on its own ... South has been at war for 21 yrs they dnt knw wat peace is ... Even the kids r mooryaans let alone the old men smh
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