Why Isn't Homosexuality Considered A Disorder On The Basis O

[Grant]

http://www.skeptictank.org/gaygene.htm

"Hamer and colleagues studied the family histories of 114 gay men and found that their brothers, maternal uncles, and maternal male cousins were more likely to be homosexual than would be expected among the general male population. In some families, gay relatives could be traced back for three generations. Because the homosexual uncles and male cousins of the gay subjects were raised in different households, the scientists hypothesized that a genetic factor was involved. Furthermore, the maternal link suggested that homosexuality might be associated with the X chromosome, which is the sex-linked chromosome that men inherit only from their mothers.

Explicit evidence for a genetic link was obtained by studying the X chromosome DNA of 40 pairs of gay brothers. The scientists used a technique called linkage mapping to search for patterns of similarity in the genetic information of related individuals. Thirty-three of the gay sibling pairs had coinherited genetic markers in the same chromosome region called Xq28, suggesting that 65 percent of the families studied were transmitting a gene for homosexual orientation."

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Basra and Gedo have suggested that homosexuality is a biological error in that it limits reproduction. I don't believe the evidence supports this.

Note that the region for sexual orientation is on the female chromosome and that homosexuality in matriarchal societies is not perceived as a threat, and is, in fact, institutionalized, as in the berdache in American indian societies.

The issue with population growth is not so much how many are born as it is how many survive in what condition to themselves reproduce.

Given the consistant and persistant percentages of homosexuals in all human societies through time, and the fact that male homosexuals outnumber female homosexuals by a precise factor of two to one, it suggests to me that homosexuality is innate and must somehow support the reproductive success of the families and societies in which it occurs.

I note that in many "pack" societies, such as wolves, chimpanzees, meercats and Harris hawks, only one couple, or only one male, actually breeds. All the excess potential breeders are relegated to support positions. Earliest man was almost certainly a pack animal.

I suspect that Abrahamic patriarchy, and a linked condemnation of homosexuality, is a relatively late human invention that does not follow the implications of the genome or the practices of the earliest human groups.

In any case, it is certainly not something the patriarchal faiths have been able to eliminate. The evidence is not all in yet, but I am inclined to believe this is because homosexuality is not a biological error at all, but rather a support mechanism for mothers and the group which leads to improved reproductive success.

Total kufr, I know.

[Basra-]

'Furthermore, the maternal link suggested that homosexuality might be associated with the X chromosome, which is the sex-linked chromosome that men inherit only from their mothers'



Grant-- this above quote is in fact the basis of my arguement.I strongly believe that homosexuality first starts in the womb of the mother--and the fact the science has pointed finger at the X chromosome only makes it technical & a proof. Everything begins from the mother.In fact-- i think the mothers body is so important that-- if a mother desperately wished she had a boy--mentally thinking it, the body sends different signals to the entire body system-messing up & creating hormone imbalances.If the baby ends up being a girl-- that girl is almost certain of becoming a lesbian in adulthood.(or at least being attracted to her sex--a lesbian can succesesfully marry a man & have children with no problem at all lool) However--boys--its tuff-- for them--since they do all the work. Hence the reason why homosexual men out number lesbians in 2-1


Grant-- u are missing the WHOLE point of the homosexuality study--u are too occupied with 'reproductions' & How culture or humanity sustains family growth.

[Cawar]

I consider all these studies which are very limited in nubmbers anyways and the observations Biased to say the least.

There are no actuall evidence as to whats different in the genome of the gay person compared to that of the heterosexual.

Just for the sake of argument...lets just say that this is similar(not in my book though) in those studies where they found that the offspring of male alcoholics would turn out to be hevay drinkers, esp. the second male off-spring...and thats a strech.

[Grant]

Basra,

Genetic information that does not add to reproductive success is not retained in the genome. Period.

[Basra-]

[quote="Grant"]Basra,

Genetic information that does not add to reproductive success is not retained in the genome. Period.[/quote]


Grant huh?? I fail to understand your point.

[Basra-]

'they found that the offspring of male alcoholics would turn out to be hevay drinkers, esp. the second male off-spring...and thats a strech



Cawar thats absurd.


Thats like saying --a Murderer--who kills alot of people--will automatically pass the genes of killing to his children. You cannot compare inate 'beingness' to a 'WILL' choice or circumstances predicated situations or behavior such alcoholism. Homosexuality is a Bialogical error-- a Handicap, just like someone is born handicap--missing limbs --is blind or deaf so is someone being gay. Not exactly the same thing--but i am using these examples to implant a picture for your understanding.

[Cawar]

Basra

Thanks for your concern in my low grade understanding of things..

But what I am trying to say is that those kids from Alcoholic fathers turn out to be alcoholics themselves because of biological linkage...at least thats what those studies have suggested...just like what the studies have suggested about homosexuality...which I believe is a personal choice AND HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH BIOLOGY

And I am using these examples to implant a picture for your understanding...

[Ashlee~]

This PDF below is a long read but its well worth it.

http://www.cwfa.org/images/content/bornorbred.pdf


It talks bout how homosexuality is not genetic and how people can change their sexual orientation.

[Basra-]

Cawar@lol

It is true--that the kids might 'inherit' a liking to alcohol since it is in their system since their formation in the mothers womb. The same goes with Nicotine products--thats why mothers are encouraged to stop smoking when pregnant--aside from the child inheriting the addictions cells if you will --loool there is other under-lying dangers like abnormality caused by such foreign--potentially harmful substances. Duh its not rocket science!



Cawar still your example is absurd. Homosexuality is not a choice & u know it.

[Cawar]

Basra

I prefer you when you all moody..

[Grant]

Basra,

Over time, genetic information that does not lead to reproductive success is reproduced at a decreased rate, leading eventually to it's disappearance.

Contrarywise, genetic information that does lead to increased reproductive success is reproduced at an enhanced rate and eventually overwhelms the less successful information in the gene pool.

The rates of homosexual orientation appear to be consistant across culture and through time, suggesting that the form is ancient and persistant.

The location of that sexual orientation complex on the mother's chromosome suggests that it must have something to do with the overall welfare of the pack and the overall survival and successful reproduction of that mother's children.

Otherwise it wouldn't be there.

I confess, the concept is startling.

[Basra-]

[quote="Grant"]Basra,

Over time, genetic information that does not lead to reproductive success is reproduced at a decreased rate, leading eventually to it's disappearance.

Contrarywise, genetic information that does lead to increased reproductive success is reproduced at an enhanced rate and eventually overwhelms the less successful information in the gene pool.

The rates of homosexual orientation appear to be consistant across culture and through time, suggesting that the form is ancient and persistant.

The location of that sexual orientation complex on the mother's chromosome suggests that it must have something to do with the overall welfare of the pack and the overall survival and successful reproduction of that mother's children.

Otherwise it wouldn't be there.

I confess, the concept is startling. [/quote]


Cajaiib Badaan


Grant--again --u are Obsessed & 'Pre-occupid' with procreation or more Precisely --reproduction.You absolutely dont make any sense & believe me, i am not being Facetious. I am being serious.


We are talking about Homosexuality here as the prime subject--Not the fear of human extinction as a result of Homosexuality! Gosh --are you dyslexic or just a bit --senile & slow?




Cawar---oohh believe me ---u dont want me MOODY! Walaahi i am obnoxiously sexy.

[Cawar]

"Cawar---oohh believe me ---u dont want me MOODY! Walaahi i am obnoxiously sexy."

Basra

Sorry but couldnt picture you in that context...care to elaborate??

[Basra-]

Cawar---Inyaaaaw ~!

PS: Are you a Psychic or something?? The moment i logged into the forum-- & checked to read whats interesting & boom u appear & post! Sheydaan.

[Cawar]

@Inyaaw

Telepathy dear...

But I aint a Shaytaan...maybe his son but not the great one YET..