Fatwa: Liberals Aren't Real Muslims

[Alluring]

Arabman, I can't wait until someone knocks on your door, SCRATCH THAT...your mother's basement.

[*Arabman]

[Arabman, I can't wait until someone knocks on your door, SCRATCH THAT...your mother's basement.]

When that happens, how would you know?

[Grant]

Gurey,

I am not an expert, but this appears to have a certain amount of evidence behind it. Here is one more article. Karlsch is adamant in his claims, and there is new information that has been recently either found or declassified. I believe there was only one American test prior to the use of "fat man" and "long boy". I am not sure of those names, but I am sure they were both experimental models. The Germans at the end were in disarray and apparently not focused on the nuclear angle, but they were certainly not five years behind in nuclear theory.

Hitler 'tested small atom bomb'
By Ray Furlong
BBC News, Berlin



A German historian has claimed in a new book presented on Monday that Nazi scientists successfully tested a tactical nuclear weapon in the last months of World War II.
Rainer Karlsch said that new research in Soviet and also Western archives, along with measurements carried out at one of the test sites, provided evidence for the existence of the weapon.

"The important thing in my book is the finding that the Germans had an atomic reactor near Berlin which was running for a short while, perhaps some days or weeks," he told the BBC.

"The second important finding was the atomic tests carried out in Thuringia and on the Baltic Sea."

Mr Karlsch describes what the Germans had as a "hybrid tactical nuclear weapon" much smaller than those dropped on Hiroshima or Nagasaki.


'Bright light'

He said the last test, carried out in Thuringia on 3 March 1945, destroyed an area of about 500 sq m, killing several hundred prisoners of war and concentration camp inmates.

The weapons were never used because they were not yet ready for mass production. There were also problems with delivery and detonation systems.


Karlsch has done us a service in showing that German research into uranium went further than we'd thought... but there was not a German atom bomb
Michael Schaaf, German physicist

"We haven't heard about this before because only small groups of scientists were involved, and a lot of the documents were classified after they were captured by the Allies," said Karlsch.
"I found documents in Russian and Western archives, as well as in private German ones."

One of these is a memo from a Russian spy, brought to the attention of Stalin just days after the last test. It cites "reliable sources" as reporting "two huge explosions" on the night of 3 March.

Karlsch also cites German eyewitnesses as reporting light so bright that for a second it was possible to read a newspaper, accompanied by a sudden blast of wind.

The eyewitnesses, who were interviewed on the subject by the East German authorities in the early 1960s, also said they suffered nose-bleeds, headaches, and nausea for days afterwards.

Karlsch also pointed to measurements carried out recently at the test site that found radioactive isotopes.

Sceptical response

His book has provoked huge interest in Germany, but also scepticism.

It has been common knowledge for decades that the Nazis carried out atomic experiments, but it has been widely believed they were far from developing an atomic bomb.


"The eyewitnesses he puts forward are either unreliable or they are not reporting first-hand information; allegedly key documents can be interpreted in various ways," said the influential news weekly Der Spiegel.
"Karlsch displays a catastrophic lack of understanding of physics," wrote physicist Michael Schaaf, author of a previous book about Nazi atomic experiments, in the Berliner Zeitung newspaper.

"Karlsch has done us a service in showing that German research into uranium went further than we'd thought up till now, but there was not a German atom bomb," he added.

It has also been pointed out that the United States employed thousands of scientists and invested billions of dollars in the Manhattan Project, while Germany's "dirty bomb" was allegedly the work of a few dozen top scientists who wanted to change the course of the war.

Karlsch himself acknowledged that he lacked absolute proof for his claims, and said he hoped his book would provoke further research.

But in a press statement for the book launch, he is defiant.

"It's clear there was no master plan for developing atom bombs. But it's also clear the Germans were the first to make atomic energy useable, and that at the end of this development was a successful test of a tactical nuclear weapon."


Story from BBC NEWS:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/2/hi/e ... 348497.stm

Published: 2005/03/14 17:33:01 GMT

© BBC MMVII

[Alluring]

Do you actually think I would reply by saying "I will see you on tv"? Trust me sweetie, I am always 10 steps ahead of your intellectual competence.

But, the fact of the matter is the things you say can only go so far.

[Grant]

TAM,

Let's stick to the issue at hand. What is your evidence with respect to the British "innocents"?

[Guled85]

[quote="Ismahan123"]Big up to all the liberal Muslims. [/quote]

Islam doesnt teach liberalism or radicalism. Islam is about moderation so please don't get things twisted. These liberals who the fatwa has been put out for are people who are/would like to abondon certain aspects of Islam.

[*Arabman]

[Islam doesnt teach liberalism or radicalism. Islam is about moderation so please don't get things twisted. These liberals who the fatwa has been put out for are people who are/would like to abondon certain aspects of Islam.]

You're either referring to something else, or your understanding of moderation is flawed. Moderation refers to limiting your intake of food, emotion, etc. You shouldn't eat more than you can, and you shouldn't starve yourself. You shouldn't be too happy or too unhappy. You shouldn't like or dislike something/someone too much. These are examples of what is referred to moderation in Islam.

There's no moderation in the teachings/laws/injunctions of Islam. What kind of moderation can there be for the penalties of killing an innocent life, drinking alcohol, theft, illegal sexual intercourse (adultery, fornication), false accusation, etc? If someone is convicted of a crime or punishable sin, what kind of moderation is there for the penalty prescribed by Allah?

[Gedo_Boy]

Arabman,

Islam is all about moderation.

Didn't the Prophet say the best of all affairs is the moderate one?
Aren't we not 'Umma Wasata' an umma of the middle way?

The Prophet's words to Muad ibn Jabal as he left to give dacawa to Yemen was 'Yasiru wa laa tacasiru' and this was the advice the Sahaba Khalifas gave to all their governors.

[Cilmiile]

The World would have been a better place with a succesful German deployment of a Nuclear Device.

Nazi, Communist, Capitalist

Nice triangle

[Padishah]

The Nazi's would have contained the Communists, but how would they have dealt with the US?

[*jr]

Frankly, fawtada la sheego anaa saarta...there!

[musika man]

arabman are saudis allah? lick their asses.

[Af_libaax]

Arabman

To Pin-point someone as liberal in a faith and issue fatwa because on the basis of he/she is following a man made rule of Laws ! is CRAZZZY and its clear invitation of Violance

Arabman did you ever paid trafic violation ? or paid credit Card interest ? these are man made laws !

Muslims the faith emphasizes unity for worldwide muslims collectively as Ummah , however , Nationalist currents tended to divide rather than unite the Islamic world ! go visit Saudi Arabia and tell them I am muslin and I want to stay Saudi Arabia , immidiately you will be in jail or flight back to Qardho !

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[musika man]

saudi fatwas in saudi arabia

women can't drive
women can't work
arab women should wear shukkah/jilbab-blacks like somali women are exempted.
who cares about saudi fatwas?

[*Arabman]

If you admire Hezbollah and its leader Hassan Nasrallah, you should know the Holocaust is a legend.

Hassan Nasrallah: "Jews invented the legend of the Holocaust."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hassan_Nas ... ust_denial