Is it Ancient Ethiopian or Somali City, Harar.

[musika man]

^^^

historical this and historical that. rubbish. i know few hararis and they absolutely want nothing to do with somalia and somalis. can u blame them?
my theory is somali lamagodleys are the children of bantu mothers and harari and other ethnic ethiopian fathers. lethal mixture.

[James Dahl]

According to the Harari, their city was founded as an outpost of the Axumite Empire, and their ancestors were Axumites. They are related to the Amhara, Tigre and Tigrai, but their language branched off at an earlier date than Tigre and Amhara branched.

[gurey25]

an isolated millitary and trading camp, of axum
that was later settled by muslim axumite refugees, in the 7th and 8th century in several differant waves, this is harar.

a small semetic speaking muslim island in a sea of cushites, mainly agew and sidamo, later on somalis and Awdali/anfar immigrated to the area.

[Steeler [Crawler2]]

The Harari are their own ethnic group, now largely subsumed to be sure. Harar was not Somali, it was Harari.

[qardasay]

Arabs sultans ruled in Harar it was trade center, Hararis have foreign blood, mainly Turkish, Arab, and Indian.

[Grant]

Interesting e-mail on Auxum, early history, languages and ethnicities in the Horn:

http://ethiopundit.blogspot.com/2004/11 ... aksum.html

[The_Emperior5]

GHADH HUNGURII GHALLAY HABARYOONIS IYO NIN HARRAR JOOGA LEH

[DawladSade]

[quote="DawladSade"]Not harari, Adare

Harrar is the home of Amin Nuur Ciis, boqorki Mareexaan[/quote]


Proof.



This piece of biography was written by the renowned anthropologist Harvel Sebastian in the acclaimed Dictionary of African historical biography (Vol. 1)

Print Copy of the Biography:
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Nur ibn Mujahid ibn ‘Ali ibn ‘Abdullah al Dhuhi Suha (literally ‘the morning star’), of the Ahl Suhawyan clan of the Somali tribe of Marehan, Darod group, was a notable Emir of Harar in the 16th century. Marrying the Widow of Ahmad Ibn Ibrahim (q.v.), or Gran, he also succeeded him as leader of the Muslim forces of fighting Christian Ethiopia.

Considered the patron saint of Harar, he was called the Sahib al-Fath at-Thani, or Master of the Second Conquest. When Ahmed ibn Ibrahim, the leader of the Muslim expansion into Ethiopia which began in 1527, was killed in 1543, the Muslim forces fell back in confusion upon Harar. Nur, the dead leader’s sister’s son, married Gran’s firebrand widow, Bati del Wanbara (q.v.), and undertook to renew the fortunes of the Muslim city, which had been sacked in 1550. Named Emir in about 1550-51, he spent the next two years reorganizing his forces, and construction the wall which still surrounds the city.

In 1554-55, Nur departed on a Jihad, or Holy War, in the eastern Ethiopian lowlands of Charchar, Arusi, and Hadeya. In 1559, he invaded Fatajar, where he fought against the Ethiopian emperor Galawdewos (q.v.) [reigned 1540-59], and killed him. Nur kept fighting for 12 years untill, according to legend, at Gibe he said “Kaffa!”, or “Enough!”, and returned to Harar. The province is called Kaffa to this day.

During Nur’s absence, Harar witnessed internal power struggles, and the unlucky city was disturbed by encroaching Galla tribes (i.e. Oromo tribes). By 1567, repeated Galla raids had brought famine to the city. Nur left the city in 1568 for a punitive raid against the Galla. On his return he found a plague raging in Harar, and he himself died of typhus.

Contemporaries described Nur as a man of noble conduct, who was just, strong, and highly principled. He was noted for the buildings he erected in Harar, and for protecting its inhabitants from invaders. His tomb stands on a hill surrounded by houses and courtyards, and is popular place of pilgrimage in Harar.

Bibliography:

1. R.Basset (editor, Histoire de la conquete de l’Abyssinie (“History of the Conquest of Abyssinia”), Paris, 1897-1901;

2. Dr. E. Cerulli, “Documenti arabi per la storia dell’Ethiopia,” Memoria della Accademia Nazionale dei Lincei, Vol. 4, No. 2, Rome, 1931

3. Dr. E. Cerulli, La lingua e la storia di Harar (“The Language and History of Harar”), Rome, 1936

4. Dr. E. Cerulli, “Gli Emiri di Harar dal secolo XVI alla conquista agiziana” (“The Mirs of Harar From the 16th Century to the Egyptian Conquest”),

5. Dr. E. Cerulli, Rassegna di Studi Ethiopici, Vol. 2, Rome, 1942

6. Hadj Yusuf AbdulRahman (editor), Kitab Rabi’a al-Qulub fi Dhikr Manaqib wa Fada’il Sayyidina as Sheikh Nur Hussein (“The Springtime of Hearts in Memory of the Virtues and Merits of Our Lord the Sheikh Nur Hussein”), Cairo, 1927

7. J. Spencer Trimingham, Islam in Ethiopia, London, 1952

8. K. Wndt, “Amharische Geschichte eines Emirs von Harar in XVI Jahrhundert,” (“An Ahmhari History of One of the Emirs of 16th Century of Harar”), Orientalia, Vol. 6, No. ¾, Rome, 1937


http://marehansade.blogspot.com/2007/09 ... harar.html

[Somali2003]

Mareehaan is a subclan of Daarood and as I have said already Ahmed Gurey's history was fundementally Daarood, but the Conquest was intensified when the Harti warriors joined the campaign. They maintained the control of of entire territory stretching from Harar to Mait to all Bari regions.

Read the Fatahu Al Habashi

[DawladSade]

[quote="Somali2003"]They maintained the control of of entire territory stretching from Harar to Mait to all Bari regions.[/quote]

What does this mean that Marehan was unimportant in maintaining control of the territory even though the Emir of Harrar, the leader of the Somali army Hiraabu, and the Imam himself was Marehan?

Explain yourself.

[Somali2003]

The Iman was never identified as Marehan and I will give you full credit if you prove that to me. The Iman Ahmed whose identity should collectively remain as Daarood since three main Darod tribes contributed to his campaign is an integral part of Somalia's Great History. The Imam also used to appoint Emirs from Somali tribes. Even his successors followed this policy of appointing emirs from Somali tribes, mainly Baritire and Geri. The Marehan emir reigned relatively short period of time.(check even the article you posted).

[xoogSADE14]

^ WG & DS brought historic documents, stating that Mareexaan made up the bulk of the great Amir's forces, they brought sources stating that his successor Emir and stepfather of his children was Mareexaan. Unless you're disputing what i wrote above how can you come to another conlusion aside from the great Amir being Mareexaan?

Mise waxaagu waa xujo? I DARE you or any other nay sayer here to bring forth any credible documents stating that Amir Axmed and Amir Nur weren't Mareexaan.

You can't just keep asking, its about time you brought some answers to the table.

[DawladSade]

XoogSade also it says Emir Nuur was the "nephew" of Imam Ahmed Gurey.

Now it could mean it is from his reer abti side with the Imam's sister being the mother of Emir Nuur (which still disproofs the whole Afar/Arab stipulation as the Imam is proven to be half-Mareexaan at the least) but when you take into account the patrilineal order of Eastern and Somali races especially in terms of power circles, the bulk of his army, the leaders of his army, it full well means Emir Nuur is the son of Imam Gurey's brother who being Mareexaan means the Imam himself is Mareexaan.


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[Somali2003]

I am not denying the Emir being Marehan but the Imam. The Imam's Clan was never identified. Even Baritire claim the Imam. Which Darod subclan should we give a collective assent? The bulk of his army came from Geri, Marehan and Harti but which clan should we give a general agreement? You will be biased if you insist on him being Marehan without proof.

[xoogSADE14]

DS

You're right, but even if we humor these people and say that Emir Nur was the son of Amir Axmed's sister and not his brother, Yes he can marry the widow of the great one but why would Amir Axmed's living relatives allow a man from another clan succeed him? If the king of Saudi Araba dies today why would the house of Al-Saud allow his nephew who has a different last name and comes from a different family assume the throne?

Do the people in here not use their brains?