Israel, "Not worth an American Life or Dollar"

[FAH1223]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7WYf5CelbJ0

[*Arabman]

In "Imperial Hubris: Why the West is Losing the War on Terror", Michael Scheuer analyzes how the global Islamic insurgency is going to win its struggle against the West.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imperial_Hubris

[*jr]

I watched an interview Fox channel did with Mr. Scheuer right after OBL mentioned his book....they thought they had him on the ropes, but he stuck with his guns. The man is a true American patriot, IMO.

Btw, I posted the same video here two weeks ago titled: Scheuer vs. Bill Maher.

[Kramer]

Michael Scheurer owned Bill Maher (what an under cover jew)

[QansaGabeyle]

Isn't Scheurer a jew himself?

[Steeler [Crawler2]]

I have read many articles on why the Islamists will win. The problem with them is they fail to factor in the reality hat the Islamists have nothing to offer. Islamic governance is incomplete, furthermore Islamic goverance in modern times has a very poor track record of delivery on services, and it is extremely socially confining. A lot of people find plenty to criticize about Western Secularism, but the fact is the world's population, using ANY METRIC, is wealthier today. Todays poor are FAR, FAR richer than the poor of 100 years ago and live FAR longer. Islamic governance works to make everyone poor excep for the few running it...........and therein lies the problem. It is a socially confining system of governance, such as it is, and it offers no REAL solutions, just slogans.

[Ina Baxar]

I agree with Michael Scheurer on 1 point he said ." What drives this guys is more the humiliation factor and our { America} position vis a vis Israel."
Case in point --> The other day as the president of Iran was here in America , after giving his speech before the UN general assembly , he sat down for answering questions from various reporters .
Now at one point there's this woman , wife to an Isreali soldier taken hostage by Hezbollah in Lebanon , who I think was "smuggled in " by Israelis reporters . She asks the president of Iran " I want you to do something about my husband's hostage situation , blahblahblahbla.."
For fuc.k sakes , there;s been a whole regional war about that shyte , Israel bombarded parts of Beyrouth and killed innocent people { with American ordinnance that they were not supposed to use btw, to wich America didn't say much about }
Furthermore , what makes them think that the President of Iran is either aware or give a fuc.k about an insignificant Israeli soldier{ I'm sorry but that's the thruth}
It'll be like a Hawiye woman in Xamar accusing Georges Bush for the constant shelling of her neighbourhood by Ethiopian artillery!!
Total character assassination campaign , played on TV time and again !!

[*jr]

[quote="Kramer"]Michael Scheurer owned Bill Maher (what an under cover jew)[/quote]


But, But he's Libertarian.....or so he claims.

[FAH1223]

[quote="MAD MAC"]Islamic governance works to make everyone poor excep for the few running it...........and therein lies the problem. It is a socially confining system of governance, such as it is, and it offers no REAL solutions, just slogans.[/quote]


yeah, right, the state can't limit what a person makes. .

Whatever the individual makes or earns through lawful means is his private possession, which neither the State nor anybody else can justifiably claim. In return for this right of private possession he has only to fulfill certain obligations to the society and pay certain taxes to the State. When this is done, he has full rights to protection by the State, and his freedom of enterprise is secure and guaranteed. Under the Islamic system the menace of greedy capitalism and destructive communism never arises. The enterprising individual is responsible for the prosperity of the State, and the State in turn is responsible

for the security of the individual. Class conflicts are replaced by cooperation and harmony; fear and suspicion are remedied by mutual security and confidence.

The economic system of Islam is not drawn in the light of arithmetical calculations and capacities of production alone. Rather, it is drawn and conceived in the light of a comprehensive system of morals and principles. The person who is working for another person or for a firm or an institution is ordained by God to do his work with efficiency and honesty. The Prophet said that if any of you undertakes to do any work, God loves to see him do it well and with efficiency. Once the work is done, the worker is entitled to a fair wage for his services. Failure by the employer to pay the just wage, or attempts to cut it down and waver on it is a punishable act, according to the Law of God.

[Steeler [Crawler2]]

"The economic system of Islam is not drawn in the light of arithmetical calculations and capacities of production alone"

It's not drawn from anything. There is no economic system in Islam. Other than a basic breakdown (and I do mean basic) of taxes, please, explain to me Islamic economic theory. I'm waiting with baited breath here. Be sure to include valid Hadith or Qur'anic verses to support your structure.

You guys with your "Islamic this" and "Islamic that".............you make this shit up and ten pretend it's focking real. It's laughable.

[FAH1223]

1. All the wealth belongs to Allah (swt):
"And give them of the wealth of Allah which He has given you." [An-Nur: 33]

2. The community is the trustee of the wealth:
"Believe in Allah and His Messenger, and spend whereof He has made you
heirs."[Al-Hadid: 7]

3. Hoarding of wealth is prohibited:
"And those who hoard up gold and silver and spend not in the way of Allah;
announce to them a painful chastisement." [At-Tauba: 34]

4. Circulation of wealth is a duty:

"Whatsoever Allah may restore unto His Messenger - is due unto Allah and unto His
Messenger - the orphans and the needy ...so that it may not be confined to the rich
amongst you." [Al-Hashr:7]

Based on these principles, Islam differs fundamentally from man-made systems (such as communism/socialism and capitalism) in defining the economic problem.

Islam uniquely considers distribution as the economic problem, and Muslims do not share the obsession of capitalists and communists with production. Because Islam differentiates between the basic needs and luxuries, there exists no concept of relative scarcity of resources in Islam. The resources available on earth are sufficient to secure the basic needs (food, clothing, and shelter) of fifty billion human beings. Such a misunderstanding has concealed the reality that starvation, poverty, and economic backwardness, result from maldistribution exasperated by man-made laws and systems. Under the Islamic system, Nigeria alone could support the whole of Africa, as occurred in the past when, under the system of Islam, Africa sent food to relieve the famine in Medinah during the rule of Omar bin al-Khattab.

The current systems have created a vampire club of institutions - such as the IMF (International Monetary Fund), World Bank, and NGO's (Non Governmental Organizations) - that employ tactics such as loans and structural deficit replanning to siphon off the world's resources to the so-called developed nations, leaving behind a gross inequality in distribution of wealth. The world order has resulted in a bleak scenario in which most of the world chokes from the exploitation of a few elitist nations that continue, under the protection of laws and systems that are designed to serve their interests, to squander the wealth of the world and systematically tighten their control of societies around the globe.

Unfortunately, the current systems cleverly mask the inequality in wealth that they produce by assessing the wealth and productivity by the GNP (Gross National Product) or the average income per capita, deceptively duping the observer into regarding the total production as a means of measuring the well being of each citizen when, in actuality, such figures give no indication of the status of the individuals. America, for example, sucks up over a third of the world's resources, yet poverty in America has escalated to such levels that a new class of people - the "fourth" or under class - has emerged. In Cairo, the average income obscures the fact that while some reside in penthouse flats, others settle for the night in cemeteries. Such a contradiction results from the current systems that fail to differentiate between "economic system" and "economic science," and, as a result, view human beings not as humans but as statistics and figures on the stock market.

By using labels like "Third World" and "First World," this economic conspiracy has worked behind a deceived populace who fail to realize that the "Third World" countries are actually First World in terms of resources. While organizations like Mercy International and UNICEF keep the masses content under the circus act of "humanitarian aid," the capitalist machine works behind the stage to gobble up the resources of the world.

The implementation of Islam would eliminate the stranglehold by which the elites control the polices of the world and milk its resources. Unlike the current systems, Islam will not impose any limits on the amount of wealth that an individual can acquire, thus creating and maintaining an incentive to work. The shortsightedness of limiting production stems from the man-made ideologies that fail to understand the nature of creation. Because the Islamic system reflects the wisdom of the Creator, then the implementation of Islam will provide a society conducive to life that will address the needs of humanity based on the correct understanding of life. Muhammad (saaw) said, "The son of Adam, if he had two valleys of gold, would desire a third and would not be satisfied till he bites the dust."

While generating massive abundance and wealth of resources by eliminating all the restrictions and oppressive systems that prevent production, Islam will safeguard against abuses of exploitation in acquiring wealth by limiting the way in which wealth is acquired. For instance, Islam denies the "free" market of Capitalism which has led to the situation of "survival of the fittest". Such an unrestricted environment has led directly to the current situation where multinational companies have scavenged the resources of the world like parasites unrestricted in their "freedom." Under the Khilafah, natural and vital resources would be categorized as public property and a right of every citizen of the state - Muslim or otherwise - in accordance with the Prophet's (saw) Hadith that states, "The humans have a right to three things - water, green pastures, and fire-based fuels (An-Naar)."

In Islam, public revenue from oil and natural resources would be used to secure the needs of the whole Muslim Ummah, and not to line the pockets of casino owners. The Khilafah would provide public and vital resources without charge to cover the needs of every individual and family, and the monopolies that multinational corporations maintain to dictate the lives of the people would dissipate.

The Shariah also defines certain rules that regulate company structure, effectively preventing abuse and corruption. For instance, Islam forbids monopolies by outlawing the hoarding of wealth (Al-Ihtikar), and eliminating copyright or patency laws that would open the avenue for potential monopolies to develop. Also, Islam protects the ownership of businesses and companies by restricting ownership of companies only to those who contribute both capital and effort to the company or business, thus effectively putting the seal on such concepts as "corporate takeover" from ever becoming a reality.

In the systems of today, the stock market offers no such protection and allows for any outsider to secure a share in any business or corporation and impose his policies on the company agenda, even if that individual puts no effort or work into the business. Today, food manufacturers have cultivated the art of burning surplus food and dumping surplus milk into the ocean to artificially inflate prices by creating "scarcity," an art that would cease to exist with the implementation of Islam.

Unlike today's system, which opens all doors for anyone to access wealth by any means, Islam categorizes wealth in a systematic way that both protects the right of individuals to access wealth and, simultaneously protects the society and secures the needs of the Ummah. Islam mandates vital and natural resources as public property while allowing for unlimited access to luxury items. Also, Islam protects the society in ways that corrupt man-made systems have overlooked by defining certain needs as "prohibited needs." For instance, to protect the honor (ird) of the woman, Islam would outlaw all forms of prostitution, pornography, or any type of sexual bombardment that exploits the charms and physical attractiveness of women. In addition, Islam would prohibit alcohol and gambling, killing every industry and institution derived from such filth that has seeped the Capitalist Nations in a downward spiral of corruption, social turmoil, and moral devastation.

In addition, the form of currency in Islam will break the economic hold of the Kuffar over the Muslim lands. The Khilafah would link the currency to gold, silver or some other precious resource. By backing the currency with resources of real value, Islam creates a stable medium of exchange and eliminates the concepts of linking currencies that allow nations to manipulate currencies and maintain a monopoly over the financial markets of the world.

Just a glance at the economic system in Islam suffices to explain the fear and dread that America and the West have shown towards Islam, and explains the dedication and effort exerted towards curtailing or suppressing the resurgence of Islam as a system. Such a system would not only break the grip that the Capitalist nations have secured over the wealth and resources of the Muslim lands and dethrone their upper hand over the policies of the world, but would provide the long-awaited solutions to life that they have kept a secret from their own people with their extensive media manipulation and education. Because the currency in Islam is linked to gold or other precious resources, the implementation of Islam would cut the economic chains that America employs by linking other currencies to the dollar.

In addition, the effectivity with which the Islamic economic systems correctly defines the economic problem and secures the needs of every individual, and eliminates all forms of economic and social corruption, would provide fuel for the foreign policy of the state that would enable the Khilafah to easily spread Islam ideologically throughout the world.

For such a system to emerge, the Ummah must revitalize within itself the Islamic way of life and cultivate the Islamic culture and the Islamic Aqeedah as the sole basis for providing solutions to its problems. Without the clear conviction in the Islamic Aqeedah and the comprehensive understanding of the Islamic system, the corrupt regimes will continue to tame and manipulate the Muslim masses with empty slogans, while behind the curtains, the feudal landlords of Pakistan will maintain their status and the Gulf sheikhs will continue to squander the public resources of the Ummah.

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I also found this interesting

http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/Sate ... boutIslamE

[*Arabman]

Islam is perfect. If Muslims adopt Shariica as their system of governance, they will become the sole superpower that will dominate the world. No wonder, America and Europe fight with overwhelming power any Islamic country or movement. That's why America concocted 911 to attack Afghanistan, an Islamic country that was on the path of becoming a superpower. That's why also America attacked the ICU, an Islamic movement that was on the path of becoming a superpower. If America and Europe leave alone an Islamic country or movement, without attacking it, without sanctions and embargoes, and for a decade-- there's no doubt that Islamic country or movement would become a superpower.

[Kramer]

Excellent post by Fah1223 !

[Steeler [Crawler2]]

Fah
This is focking RIDICULOUS:

1. All the wealth belongs to Allah (swt):
"And give them of the wealth of Allah which He has given you." [An-Nur: 33]

2. The community is the trustee of the wealth:
"Believe in Allah and His Messenger, and spend whereof He has made you
heirs."[Al-Hadid: 7]

3. Hoarding of wealth is prohibited:
"And those who hoard up gold and silver and spend not in the way of Allah;
announce to them a painful chastisement." [At-Tauba: 34]

4. Circulation of wealth is a duty:

"Whatsoever Allah may restore unto His Messenger - is due unto Allah and unto His Messenger - the orphans and the needy ...so that it may not be confined to the rich amongst you." [Al-Hashr:7]

You have taken versus directed at individuals which are dispersed all over the place and from that extrapolated an "Islamic system" of economics that would ostensibly be applied to everyone.

"Islam uniquely considers distribution as the economic problem"

No, it doesn't. In fact, distribution of wealth (or redistribution) is a ventral theme of socialism and communism.

"and Muslims do not share the obsession of capitalists and communists with production."

Which explains why they don't produce shit and why they don't generate much wealth. In fact, if there were no oil in Islamic states, they would all have economies that look a lot like Egypts.

"Because Islam differentiates between the basic needs and luxuries, there exists no concept of relative scarcity of resources in Islam"

Oh really? Luxury is what causes scarcity of resources??? So this explains why Somalia is so economically healthy and Europe and America are on their death throes!!! There is no connection between luxury and scarcity you moron. Societies that are very PRODUCTIVE have excess labor to generate luxury (and necessities, like medicine). Those that are not, don't.

"The resources available on earth are sufficient to secure the basic needs (food, clothing, and shelter) of fifty billion human beings. Such a misunderstanding has concealed the reality that starvation, poverty, and economic backwardness, result from maldistribution exasperated by man-made laws and systems. Under the Islamic system, Nigeria alone could support the whole of Africa, as occurred in the past when, under the system of Islam, Africa sent food to relieve the famine in Medinah during the rule of Omar bin al-Khattab."

Distribution is an issue, although a VERY COMPLEX one, and not the simplistic one you are making out here. There is NO ISLAMIC SYSTEM, simply four verses from which you are extrapolating in the EXTREME! For example, right now people have the right to work where they want, for the pay that they want, in conditions they can reject or not, and choose to purchase or not as they see fit. If they don't like a given corporate pay structure, they have the option of seeking employment elsewhere, or boycotting or striking if they don't like that pay structure. In your fantasy Islamic system, from whom will these individual freedoms be taken away, and to who will the decision of deciding what's fair be given? Please cite valid Hadith or Qur'anic verses to support your position.

"The current systems have created a vampire club of institutions - such as the IMF (International Monetary Fund), World Bank, and NGO's (Non Governmental Organizations) - that employ tactics such as loans and structural deficit replanning to siphon off the world's resources to the so-called developed nations, leaving behind a gross inequality in distribution of wealth. The world order has resulted in a bleak scenario in which most of the world chokes from the exploitation of a few elitist nations that continue, under the protection of laws and systems that are designed to serve their interests, to squander the wealth of the world and systematically tighten their control of societies around the globe.

Unfortunately, the current systems cleverly mask the inequality in wealth that they produce by assessing the wealth and productivity by the GNP (Gross National Product) or the average income per capita, deceptively duping the observer into regarding the total production as a means of measuring the well being of each citizen when, in actuality, such figures give no indication of the status of the individuals. America, for example, **** up over a third of the world's resources, yet poverty in America has escalated to such levels that a new class of people - the "fourth" or under class - has emerged. In Cairo, the average income obscures the fact that while some reside in penthouse flats, others settle for the night in cemeteries. Such a contradiction results from the current systems that fail to differentiate between "economic system" and "economic science," and, as a result, view human beings not as humans but as statistics and figures on the stock market.
"

That the current system has deficiencies in no way implies that there is an "Islamic SYSTEM" such as you refer to. And while we recognizew deficiencies in economics as well as in other areas of governance, this in no way implies that there is an ISLAMIC SYSTYEM which remedies same. That you focking morons keep repeating it, doesn't make it so. Furthrmore, you will be hard pressed to find any Americans, poor or otherwise, who want to embrace you infantile notion of economics, such as it is.

"The implementation of Islam would eliminate the stranglehold by which the elites control the polices of the world and milk its resources. Unlike the current systems, Islam will not impose any limits on the amount of wealth that an individual can acquire, thus creating and maintaining an incentive to work. The shortsightedness of limiting production stems from the man-made ideologies that fail to understand the nature of creation. Because the Islamic system reflects the wisdom of the Creator, then the implementation of Islam will provide a society conducive to life that will address the needs of humanity based on the correct understanding of life. Muhammad (saaw) said, "The son of Adam, if he had two valleys of gold, would desire a third and would not be satisfied till he bites the dust.""

Who do you think would run an "Islamic System"???? Elites, you domb a$$. And not only that, they would brook no argument, since Islam is perfect, and they are running an Islamic system, therefore, all arguments against their decisions would be against Islam. You would, in short order, find yourself in the slam getting butt focked by some Muslim prison guard. Islamic governance is just another name for fascist dictatorship using Islam as the justification. You see it now with the "Mujahedin" who commit all sorts of barborous acts such as cutting off someones head with a knife and others even here on this site justifying it in the name of Islam.

"While generating massive abundance and wealth of resources by eliminating all the restrictions and oppressive systems that prevent production, Islam will safeguard against abuses of exploitation in acquiring wealth by limiting the way in which wealth is acquired. For instance, Islam denies the "free" market of Capitalism which has led to the situation of "survival of the fittest". Such an unrestricted environment has led directly to the current situation where multinational companies have scavenged the resources of the world like parasites unrestricted in their "freedom." Under the Khilafah, natural and vital resources would be categorized as public property and a right of every citizen of the state - Muslim or otherwise - in accordance with the Prophet's (saw) Hadith that states, "The humans have a right to three things - water, green pastures, and fire-based fuels (An-Naar).""

Again, who decides what's excessive and what is not? Who decides who gets what resources??? Where is this cited in Islam?? Again, give me hard facts. You have given me four quotes that are directed at individuals that are sweeping in their generalization, and from that called it an "Islamic System". If you submitted that to a macro economics professor "My thesis on Islamic governance" you would get a big, fat F, unless the professor was afraid to point out that there is no such thing as Islamic economics and that citing four pathetic quotes and extrapolating what is suppose to rival Keynesian theory passes for Scholarship at Moron U.

"In Islam, public revenue from oil and natural resources would be used to secure the needs of the whole Muslim Ummah, and not to line the pockets of casino owners. The Khilafah would provide public and vital resources without charge to cover the needs of every individual and family, and the monopolies that multinational corporations maintain to dictate the lives of the people would dissipate."

You mean like Norway does, minus the Islam part of course. But not like Saudi Arabia or Kuwait or Yemen or Iran do????

The Shariah also defines certain rules that regulate company structure, effectively preventing abuse and corruption. For instance, Islam forbids monopolies by outlawing the hoarding of wealth (Al-Ihtikar), and eliminating copyright or patency laws that would open the avenue for potential monopolies to develop.

Outlawing the hoarding of wealth (not defined of course) does not prevent monolopies. One usually leads to the other, but it is not a requirement. Communists often had monolopies, and generated shit and made no money. Furthermore eliminating copyright or patency laws will do a great job of ensuring no one invests wealth in expensive projects that can then be easily copied, ensuring the invested wealth in research is lost. Smart kid, real smart.

"Also, Islam protects the ownership of businesses and companies by restricting ownership of companies only to those who contribute both capital and effort to the company or business, thus effectively putting the seal on such concepts as "corporate takeover" from ever becoming a reality."

And who determines this exactly??? And how did you figure this out? Which verse says "Islam protects the ownership of businesses and companies by restricting ownership of companies only to those who contribute both capital and effort to the company or business"

I could go on here, but you get the point.

There is no such thing as Islamic governance, and if Mohammed presented a first year univerisity professor with this nonsense as "Islamic Economic Theory" he would be laughed off the campus.

Try again.