Somali history in maps, from the ancient world to the modern

Voltage · Post by **Voltage** » Sun Mar 23, 2008 4:29 am

[quote="James Dahl"]Updated 1550, 1650 and 1730 maps.[/quote]

The 1890 is still wrong. When did Mareexaan stop at the border? We have always ruled inland even east of Dhuusa-mareeb until the Siyad Barre government, when we moved on to Mogadishu and then to the Jubbaland after the civil war.

Do you know who the governor of Dhuusamareeb region (one of italy's 6 Somali regions of Italian Somaliland)?

It was Xaaji Xaashi Gerri, the father of Siyad's 2nd wife Dalaayad.

Do you know who the M.P from Dhuusamareeb region was?

It was Adden Shire Jama, the man who served as the first Somali interior Minister in the 1956 provincial elections Abdullahi Issa was the prime minister.

As late as 1980, the territory of Dhusamareb and even East for some km was Mareexaan.

After that they relocated to Muqdisho and today its former inhabitants live in Jilib and Jamaame.

Plus where in the world are you getting the Bicidyahan thing in 1890???

Both of my parents were born in Wardheer region and the first time they saw a Bicidyahan even in the 60's was Beyra, a little bit northwest of Gaalkacyo. Where in the world are you coming with this from??

Transformer · Post by **Transformer** » Sun Mar 23, 2008 4:39 am

[quote="James Dahl"]Updated 1550, 1650 and 1730 maps.[/quote]

Oral History...Come here with scholarly findings sxb. You post your staff through Wikimedia and you want us to take you serious...You sure you didn't edit those maps yourself.

James Dahl · Post by **James Dahl** » Sun Mar 23, 2008 4:47 am

[quote="Transformer"][quote="James Dahl"]Updated 1550, 1650 and 1730 maps.[/quote]

Oral History...Come here with scholarly fining sxb. You post your staff through Wikimedia and you want us to take you serious...You sure you didn't edit those maps yourself.[/quote]

The maps are to go with historical Wikipedia articles, so why is it so bad to post them to Wikimedia?
And of course I edited them myself, I drew them from scratch, not sure what you're getting at here?
People have legitimate complaints about the quality of many Wikipedia articles, but that's just what I try to improve.

James Dahl · Post by **James Dahl** » Sun Mar 23, 2008 5:24 am

Ok, 1300, 1650, 1730, 1890 and 1915 updated.

CoolPoisons · Post by **CoolPoisons** » Sun Mar 23, 2008 7:30 am

James, get the fock outa here, Marehan had the largest land in 1850 and I gave U the proof of Mad_Dogg but U ignored it. What about the Marehan Adal kingdom with Imam Ahmed Gurey and Imam Noor Mujahid? Fokk shiid

Transformer · Post by **Transformer** » Sun Mar 23, 2008 7:50 am

[quote="James Dahl"][quote="Transformer"][quote="James Dahl"]Updated 1550, 1650 and 1730 maps.[/quote]

Oral History...Come here with scholarly fining sxb. You post your staff through Wikimedia and you want us to take you serious...You sure you didn't edit those maps yourself.[/quote]

The maps are to go with historical Wikipedia articles, so why is it so bad to post them to Wikimedia?
And of course I edited them myself, I drew them from scratch, not sure what you're getting at here?
People have legitimate complaints about the quality of many Wikipedia articles, but that's just what I try to improve.[/quote]

^^^I don't see the difference between Wikipedia and Wikimedia, people edit staff on both places and that is my main concern...

Anyhow, the source to the maps you provided here are either of "according to oral history" or by Ibn Battuta.

So let's examine the "according to oral history" source...Wait! Is that even a source? Who ever put those maps together aren't even sure of the actual oral history author here...So, I don't even think it qualifies as being a source.

Moving on, the only mentioned source was Ibn Battuta...So, who was this "Ibn Battuta" source? Well, according to this article:

http://www.saudiaramcoworld.com/issue/2 ... attuta.htm

...Do scroll down to bold letter's that read "The Indian Influence on Mogadishu's Foodways was Obvious"...Here the man seems to be interested in food more than maps, so is he really a concrete source when it come to mapping which clan settled where in the past? I think not!

Continuing on with the article, the man doesn't even stay in Mogadishu long enough let alone anywhere else in Somalia before moving on to Asia. Again like the other nameless source that is given here, I doubt if this "Ibn Battuta" could be cited as a source when it comes to the delicate matter that is Somali history.

I don't even know why you people bother with some foreign written sources...The longest anyone of them stayed in Somalia was during the colonization era and we all know how short of a period that was...If I were you people I wouldn't even sweat over such sources since non of them have been in Somalia long enough to know the bottom line here.

gurey25 · Post by **gurey25** » Sun Mar 23, 2008 3:55 pm

lol

James i believe you have exaggerated the age and the power of my own Isaaq clan.
I am flattered really.

your MAP circa 1300 AD shows the Isaaq having a large territory similiar in size to the marexaan and other clans when in reality
we only comprised 3 generations from shiekh isxaaq and the total population of the isaaq clan was lprobably 1000 people men and women and children included, while the Darood supposedly having a 200 year head start shuld have been several times the isaaq population.

you have also ignored the original inhabitants of the land the Dir.

The eastern isaaq lands where inhabited by the mahe dir and the westen part from berbera down to hargiesa and bordering zylac was other Dir but predominatley the Gurgura, who today live around Dire Dawa.
The Afar land and the ciise was all the way to the east as well in Awdal(which is named after them) and upto hargiesa region.

by 1300AD both Isaaq and darood would have been non existant politically and making up a small percentage of the population of the region.

Isaaq only makes an appearance independant politically from the mahe dir during the 1450's onwards.

and the Ogadeen/absame expansion occured after the collapse of Adali power due to the victory of empreror Amde Tseyon and Amde seyons destruction of heavily populated Dir cities like Amoud and Zeylac, and ethiopian raids into eastern somaliland.

With the dir population reduced do to war and famine and emmigration, the Ogadeen and later the isaaq moved into previously Dir grazing lands.

Voltage · Post by **Voltage** » Sun Mar 23, 2008 4:10 pm

The maps just became child-play.

I think you got the story of "Ladiid and Lafo-Layl Kase" wrong. They were a large empire but they did not exist in the 1300, it was the 1700 in which they ruled the territory of the Harti.

Gen.Aideed · Post by **Gen.Aideed** » Sun Mar 23, 2008 4:28 pm

James Dahl, you said according to something.

Provide us with hard proof or I will just agree with King of Awdal that your maps are Concocted to suit your biases.

I only know of Hobyo and Ajuuraan sultanates.

Voltage · Post by **Voltage** » Sun Mar 23, 2008 4:31 pm

http://www.somalinet.com/forum/viewtopi ... 8&t=154186

Gen.Aideed · Post by **Gen.Aideed** » Sun Mar 23, 2008 4:35 pm

I don't beieve this bullshit. Daarood history.

neocon_2007 · Post by **neocon_2007** » Sun Mar 23, 2008 4:39 pm

[quote="James Dahl"]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... rn70ad.png
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... 1300ad.png
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... 1550ad.png
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... 1650ad.png
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... 1730ad.png
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... 1890ad.png
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... 1915ad.png[/quote]

Invalid Darwiish map.

Sultan Mahmoud Ali Shire-Warsangeli country extended from Burco to Bender Qassim. No other Somali clans were in Northern Somalia execpt for the Warsangeli civilians and their king.

Invalid 15th century map.

Warsangeli kingdom had a southern branch which was near the Geledi.

harar · Post by **harar** » Sun Mar 23, 2008 4:41 pm

your 1550 to 1730 map is very anti-oromo.

1550= http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... 1550ad.png
1730 = http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... 1730ad.png

do you think oromos expanded and took somali lands today??

today harar and dire dewa is under oromia control http://www.oromoamerican.org/OromiaMap.gif
according to your anti-oromo map, oromia is colonizing somalia too

gurey25 · Post by **gurey25** » Sun Mar 23, 2008 4:41 pm

lol@burco.

you really do live in another world dont you

neocon_2007 · Post by **neocon_2007** » Sun Mar 23, 2008 4:43 pm

[quote="gurey25"]lol@burco.

you really do live in another world dont you[/quote]

Gurey just as you believed Badhan population was smaller then Cerigabo, I will post an accurate map that displays Warsangeli country vs Darwiish during the 19th and 20th centuries.

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