Can a person who is Muslim....

[Cawar]

Shirib

My point is exactly this...which I mean by..at the time of the Saxaba they did such and such..under Islamic government with Sharia law.

Now, which country on earth parctices that kind of sharia?? none.
No. 2, When you dont have any water to drink..you cant just pretend to want some water to take shower with etc..
In Today's Islamic countries..we have many more issues that need to be adressed which are more important than worrying about 1 person who may have left Islam..

I remember couple of yrs ago..when in Afghanistan they wanted to kill that fella who converted to christianiy..
heck ppl are being killed left and right ever day in that country and its muslim against muslim...
ppl are dying of hunger in many of the Islamic countires..so IMO we need and Islam requires it I believe..cos Islam is with logic always..
that we prioritize our needs...just like the prohet did CSW in his time

[Htologist]

Aduunka kan ugu liita waa kan 'follower' ka ah ee iska raaca dadka majorityga ah!
Yaa brothers and sisters, diinta barta marka hore, meesha intaad timaadaan ha odhan, "Diinta haka fogaan" I was raised in Dubai anigu, I started praying at age 11. Diinta waan garanayaa alxamdulillaah, salatna igama tagto! laakin it's so turn off markuu ruux wayn halkan niic la yimaado, do your homework marka hore, deedna wax macno leh soo qora. Thank you!
No personal attack please

[xidigow]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apostasy_i ... _reference


Check the above site pleas,

[MJ-Pride]

Hotoilet, Waraa bidaar love iyo reer xamarikaad tahaybe wase,go convert to Christianity and tickle your British boy friend's balls while reading the bible. fcking madax baradho (yeah that's what happens when you randomly mention my name)

[Firefly]

Htologist:- Can you please tell me why you asked this question walaal? It seems like you already know the answer, and are unwilling to consider what others are telling you.


Lets be careful walaalayaal, don't say something that you have no knowledge of or that you're not sure about just for the sake of argument. This is a matter of our Deen we're talking about here, and it is not up for petty arguments.

[Htologist]

Istaqfurulah for any thanb I may say or do..
But I have difficult time accepting that any 1 who leaves Islam should be killed..why??

Cant the person repent before he or she dies?? if a mushrik is not allowed to be killed when
you see him on the street hoping that he might one day repent and accept Islam..
why kill someone who may go astray for few days, weeks , months or even yrs??
Allah is the sole and supreme judge..but I still think that there is some misunderstanding of some of the hadiths about this issue or some missing
..after all we have no scholar amongs us.
And all we say is what we have heard our local imaam or macallin dugsi said about such and such..
or what we may have read from some site.

The problem with most of somalis is that they dont know how to say..I dont know about such and such issue to give a definitive answer..

Imagine ruux xun oo fanatic ah, oo diinta meel xun kaa tusa, markaana aad diinta dhan kaga baxdo because dad xun baa ku baray diinta, oo aad kaga carartay! (Which happens these days) wadaado extremist ah baa buuxa.... ruuxaa diinta ka cararay haduu damco inuu ku soo laabto diinta, ka waran wadaado ba jira ku oranaya, NO! kuma soo laaban karto diinta hadaad ma ka baxday! That's some ridiculous shit walahi! ka waran qofkaa haduu helay wadaad fiican, oo diinta meelo fiican ka tusay oo diintii dib u soo jeclaaday..

[Htologist]

Htologist:- Can you please tell me why you asked this question walaal? It seems like you already know the answer, and are unwilling to consider what others are telling you.


Lets be careful walaalayaal, don't say something that you have no knowledge of or that you're not sure about just for the sake of argument. This is a matter of our Deen we're talking about here, and it is not up for petty arguments.

very typical!! I've heard this over and over....

[Enlightened~Sista]

shamboo there is no Qur'anic verse that says apostates must be killed. However there are maaany verses that give people the freedom to believe or disbelieve.

[And say [O Muhammad]: 'The truth has now come from your Sustainer: let, then, him or her who wills, believe in it, and let him or her who wills, reject it.(Al-Kahf 18:29)

And so, [O Prophet,] exhort them; your task is only to exhort. You can not compel them [to believe].] (Al-Ghashiyah 88:21-22)



I found this excellent article by Jamaal Badawi the famous Islamic Da'ee ..id urge EVERYONE to read it..before misleading people!!

http://www.islamonline.net/english/Cont ... le02.shtml

[RebelLion]

Shirib

My point is exactly this...which I mean by..at the time of the Saxaba they did such and such..under Islamic government with Sharia law.

Now, which country on earth parctices that kind of sharia?? none.
No. 2, When you dont have any water to drink..you cant just pretend to want some water to take shower with etc..
In Today's Islamic countries..we have many more issues that need to be adressed which are more important than worrying about 1 person who may have left Islam..

I remember couple of yrs ago..when in Afghanistan they wanted to kill that fella who converted to christianiy..
heck ppl are being killed left and right ever day in that country and its muslim against muslim...
ppl are dying of hunger in many of the Islamic countires..so IMO we need and Islam requires it I believe..cos Islam is with logic always..
that we prioritize our needs...just like the prohet did CSW in his time

Well said.

[Warsan_Star_Muslimah]

Asalamu alikum Htologist

What I don't understand Akhii is why are you asking them Questions if:

A) Your going to refute them, and this is because you already have your answer!
B) You claim you know the religion (which is fine), but in way that your claiming you know it more than them.
C) What was the purpose to your question, most of us in here are not Scholars, and their answers are derived
from what most scholars say.

Wasalam

[Firefly]

Htologist:- That was a sincere question walaal. You've posed a question, you've got several different answers, you were not satisfied with those answers ( which is fair enough) then you put forth your own answer to your own question.

[Warsan_Star_Muslimah]

I see sister Firefly has already wandered what was the point to this; like me!

You know what they say, great minds think alike.

Wasalam

[Htologist]

I don't quite understand dadka leh, "Why did you ask this question" well, why not?
Why does it upset you?

[Firefly]

Htologist:- It doesn't upset me walaal, it's good to ask questions. However, when someone poses a question they're normally looking for an answer. It seems like you're not looking for an answer, because you've already made your mind up about it.


Warsan_Star_Muslimah:- I love your avatar sis.

[Shirib]

There is a difference between a Kaffir and a Murtad, so lakum diinaku waliya diin does not work

What is hard tyo understand abou these

Ibn Abbas reported that the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) said, "Whoever changes his religion, you kill him." (Reported by all the group except Muslim, and at-Tabarani also reported it with a sound chain of narrators. Also recorded in Majma Az-Zawa'id by Al-Haythamiy.)

There is also the Hadith of Ibn Mas`ud that the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) said, "The blood of a Muslim individual who bears witness that there is no god but Allah and that I am the Messenger of Allah, is not to be shed except in three cases: in retaliation (in murder crimes), married adulterers (and adulteresses), and the one who abandons his religion and forsakes the Muslim community." (Reported by the Group)

The actual example of one of the greatest Companions, Ali ibn Abi Talib (may Allah be pleased with him) gives credit to this also.

Also after the Prophet SAW death many tribes left Islam saying that their loyalty was to Rasulu'Allah SAW and now he was death, Abu Bakr RA, then fought the Ridda Wars with these apostates bringin them back to Islam.

If u guys don't wanna follow the hadiths then say so, but the punishment for apostasy is clear