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These 2 (Grant & James) remind me A Somali Expert back in 1992. When George Bush annouced the troop deployments to Somalia , ABC news brought a man they said was Somali expert. They asked him,
what is the first thing the troops would have to do in order to get safe landing?

His answer; well when we arrive in Mogadishu, we need to secure the sea port, airport, and the railway system. Eevrything would have been right except, the trains in Mogadishu left with their Italian owners back in 1950s. Reading few books doesnt make you an expert of nation.
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James,

Here is most of what is known so far about the Bantu expansion:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bantu_expansion

It was far too late and headed south to have reached Somalia thousands of years ago, and there is no archaeological evidence whatsoever these people ever reached the Tana or the Jubba. At least as far as I am aware, the agricultural peoples on the upper Jubba were the Digil-Mirifle, who are not Bantu.

Furthermore, the Bantu languages still spoken in Somalia are still understandable in their native countries. This would not be true if thousands of years had elapsed.

As far as an oral tradition is concerned, Haji Shafici, a Barwaani friend of mine, told me the Swahilis were composed of the five black tribes I have already named, and the three white clans: the Persians, the Arabs and the Portuguese. In significant numbers, these all came late.

I am aware that some groups claim to be indigenous. My suspicion is that a little good DNA work will show either that later arriving Bantus married into another group that was indigenous, or that they aren't Bantus in the first place.

The "Gosha" I knew in the Lower Jubba clearly derived from a number of different sources that were not Somali. They said either that their ancestors had fled the Shabelli plantations or had been freed along the Jubba by the British. Oral tradition, it seems, depends on who you talk to.
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Ancient history questions like this can only really be resolved by archaeology. Some day perhaps.
I have been intrigued by the Portuguese connection amongst the Barwaanis, as Portuguese history is quite vague on Portugal's involvement along the Somali coast, which implies defeat (empires only like to record their victories).

The Bantu expansion theory breaks down a bit in East Africa in the chronology, as the Swahili seem to materialize from nowhere.

All "nation experts" who work for the states are crackpots, they choose ideological purity over academic knowledge most of the time, as Americans distrust anyone overly interested in a country other than the USA.
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James,

The Barwaanis say their Portuguese blood came from shipwrecked sailors who were sheltered and later accepted in Brawa.

The Bantu expansion and the Indian Ocean slave trade are two different things. The Omanis financed their defeat of the Portuguese and their control of the Indian Ocean trade routes
through the slave trade, which tapped the expansion. As many slaves went north and east as went south and west. But the ones that reached Somalia came by Omani dhow and were purchased mostly to produce cotton and corn on the Shebelli plantations.
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james dahl

first you have to understand every section
in somalia has its own native clans or tribes
so that means that every land you can think
of belongs to someone in a sense they were here first.

but in the so called noble tribes mind
if one clan or tribes who migrated to place then out numberes
the natives who live there then they can claim the land as their own
it doesnt matter that they just came few hundred years ago.

there are many documents that talks about the marehans and ogadens
migration in the early 1900 but before that you never hear or see
any darood clans claiming lands in the south. you have to understand that
theres was a large darood migration into southern somalia at the
time when sayid barre was in power.


it like this lets say few rahanweyn families migrated to degax buur
being welcomed and after their populations grows and claim degax buur as their own
because they out number the ogadens in their own tradtional land.

marehans and ogadens know that the lands which they live in
today in southern somalia belongs to other clans.
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You don't have to tell me that, I'm a Canadian. 200 years ago, BC belonged entirely to native people, and about 130 years ago the first white settlers landed here.

Now, native people only make up less than 5% of the population, and they're the poorest 5%. I am ashamed to admit it, but indirectly my great-grandfather took part in this. He purchased 100 acres of government land on what had once been the summer hunting grounds of the Squamish people, long since seized by the government and then sold off to colonists for $1/acre.

Go back further to before the colonial era even began, to the dark ages. My viking ancestors invaded the Orkney islands, killed the inhabitants and took their land. The godforsaken rock my ancestors are from in the Orkneys wasn't even THEIR godforsaken rock, they took it from some even more unfortunate bastards, and they didn't even have the courtesy to allow them to survive.

Go back even further and even Norway didn't originally belong to my distant, bronze-age ancestors, who along with the rest of the Germanic people marched into Scandinavia from what's now northern Russia and killed and enslaved all the local people.

I know it's in me, every time someone insults me the viking blood screams at me to put a big axe through his skull and spit on his brain. I've got 10,000 years of invading, pillaging and whatnot in my family tree I don't even want to think of, and today I just feel guilty for it all. Someday perhaps you will too, who knows.
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james dahl

this is different. in the somali society unless people are at war
then you can not mistreat them, because somalis have a nomadic lifestyle
they have traveled a lot and get welcomed in where ever they go.

if you ask a marehan person who's in his early 20s, how many generations do
you go back in gedo, its going to be just 2 meaning his father and his granfather. if you ask an ogaden you'll have the same answer.

you never hear marehan and rahanweyn are at war or digil and ogaden are at war,
because you cant fight people in their own lands,specially people that welcomed you.
its always a darood clan fighting another darood clan in southern somalia. many of them
ended up in southern somalia at the time of the civil war, unless then 20 years later
these lands became darood lands.
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CUSHITE KINGDOM wrote:can someone answer me this specially a darood person

WHAT IS A DAROOD DOING IN SOUTHERN SOMALIA?

WHY IS A DAROOD FIGHTING FOR MOGADISHU AND KISMAYO?
Because Darood is the sheep dog and Hawiye is the sheep, which leaves the Isaq and that makes him the shepherd.
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Ni Hao wrote:
CUSHITE KINGDOM wrote:can someone answer me this specially a darood person

WHAT IS A DAROOD DOING IN SOUTHERN SOMALIA?

WHY IS A DAROOD FIGHTING FOR MOGADISHU AND KISMAYO?
Because Darood is the sheep dog and Hawiye is the sheep, which leaves the Isaq and that makes him the shepherd.
heres a pound of khat and jump off a cliff
you come from a tribe thats all mashed up into one region.
damn thats sad
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But who managed to achieve something unlike your vampirer kin.

here is a blade, now go and find an old lady to rob.
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Ni Hao wrote:But who managed to achieve something unlike your vampirer kin.

here is a blade, now go and find an old lady to rob.
im not a hawiye dummy but those so called blade wielding robbers gave you freedom.
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and might that be? do they have a name?

does their name mean anything?
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ni hao

this topic is about daroods not sheikh wassaq
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you mean its about doofar dabadhilif?

gartey :arrow:
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