Proof Of Grave Worship In Somalia:
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Re: Proof Of Grave Worship In Somalia:
i cant beleive some people are defending these picture's, truly we have entered the phase of jaahiliya again......these people are committing shirk which can even turn you into an unbeleiver if you do not repent, according to sahih hadith's....did the prophet go and worship at grave's,sing and dance at grave's,do all kind of wierd stuff....no.....this is bid'ah adding bad innovation to the religion.......if they wish to ask for something, then allah is always there.....praying to a dead person to ask forgiveness for them from allah is absolutely prospostrous and all the great muslm scholar's of our time have condemned this act, these people are in need of enlightment as they have gone astray....perhaps due to their isolation or the influence from other parts of the world who practice this un-islamic act........may allah guide these people.......al-shabab perhaps need to be more diplomatic in their approach, this grave worshipping is a great sin.
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Re: Proof Of Grave Worship In Somalia:
This is shirk al-Akbar. Worshiping others besides Allah.
Nice lecture about this. A must watch for those who are sympathic towards this or believe in it.
Abu Muhammad Idress
Nice lecture about this. A must watch for those who are sympathic towards this or believe in it.
Abu Muhammad Idress
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Re: Proof Of Grave Worship In Somalia:
the 2 Holy Cities Makkah and Madinah

this madinah

inside this holy place Prophet Muhammad salallahu alayhi wasalam grave.
muslim all over the world visiting the grave of mohamed s.a.w do small prayer FITAHA
behead those doors the grave of nabi mahamed Saw.




this madinah

inside this holy place Prophet Muhammad salallahu alayhi wasalam grave.
muslim all over the world visiting the grave of mohamed s.a.w do small prayer FITAHA
behead those doors the grave of nabi mahamed Saw.



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Re: Proof Of Grave Worship In Somalia:
Koronto,
This method your advocating for is 200% wrong. These ppl had these traditions for a long time, you can not take it away over night and by force. Force never accomplishes anything other than animosity and rejection. You can try to educate them if they do not choose to repent, they should be free to do whatever the hell they want!!
This Al Shabaab-like attitude will get us no where, you may support them today but sooner or later, even you will become a "murtad" in their eyes.
This method your advocating for is 200% wrong. These ppl had these traditions for a long time, you can not take it away over night and by force. Force never accomplishes anything other than animosity and rejection. You can try to educate them if they do not choose to repent, they should be free to do whatever the hell they want!!
This Al Shabaab-like attitude will get us no where, you may support them today but sooner or later, even you will become a "murtad" in their eyes.
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Re: Proof Of Grave Worship In Somalia:
its funny when u go to medina oday yar aya meesha hor tagaan oo lacag yar aad siineysiid marka inad nabiga soo ziyaaratiid ku oggal.
No one is worshiping these people no one is worshiping the emir al mumunins
Imam hussein imam hassan. no one is worshiping these walis.
in islam u can only worship allah. but leave the dead alone maxaad qubuurahooda oo soo faqaysan. if some one is not behaving in the mosqe will you destroye the mosqe no you wont. qofkaas uun baad runta oo sheegeysa. laakin qabri baan soo faqaya oo aan marka leeyahay qof baan cabuudii . qofki ilahay maha wax kalle cabuuda dee wa gaal. maxa marka oday muslim ah 100 sannoh mawtan oo soo faqii.
No one is worshiping these people no one is worshiping the emir al mumunins
Imam hussein imam hassan. no one is worshiping these walis.
in islam u can only worship allah. but leave the dead alone maxaad qubuurahooda oo soo faqaysan. if some one is not behaving in the mosqe will you destroye the mosqe no you wont. qofkaas uun baad runta oo sheegeysa. laakin qabri baan soo faqaya oo aan marka leeyahay qof baan cabuudii . qofki ilahay maha wax kalle cabuuda dee wa gaal. maxa marka oday muslim ah 100 sannoh mawtan oo soo faqii.
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Re: Proof Of Grave Worship In Somalia:
worshipping graves it is simply propogante by wabanis.
wabanis are doing what the jewish are know to do is to distroy sunni muslim graves.
you may ask your self what is next 4 wabanis to distroy the grave of the Prophet inside the masjid Muhammad salallahu alayhi wasalam.
wabanis are doing what the jewish are know to do is to distroy sunni muslim graves.
you may ask your self what is next 4 wabanis to distroy the grave of the Prophet inside the masjid Muhammad salallahu alayhi wasalam.
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Re: Proof Of Grave Worship In Somalia:
a huge problems ba so so'oto Allah yastur.
somalis now in stage of pre islam ,
they need education andrule model not seef and takfeerhum.
somalis now in stage of pre islam ,
they need education andrule model not seef and takfeerhum.
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Re: Proof Of Grave Worship In Somalia:
There are centuries of jahl in Somalia and great effort of education and dacwa is needed. People should be treated with nice manner with patience but same time prevent shirk if it takes place because shirk is the worst and most evil thing that exists and only thing that Allah won't forgive to someone who dies doing that and He could forgive everything else if he wants.
Leveling graves is a command of Prophet (saws). He sent Ali bin Abi Talib to a mission saying: "Do not leave any image without erasing it, nor any elevated grave without leveling it to the ground."(Muslim)
May Allah guide us all and help those who are working to raise the banner of Tawhid in Somalia.
Whatever is going on in Saudi-Arabia is not an evidence to support anything.
First off Prophet's (saws) grave wasn't inside the mosque but rather the mosque was later expanded to the area of grave and culama of this time were against that, from them Umar bin AbdulAziiz.
Secondly there used to be a people preventing people making shirk while visiting Prophet's (saws) mosque but they are long gone. Changes started in 90's and in 2000's the pace is just increasing to secularize the country bit by bit. Now you see lot of people especially in hajj season making ducaa or praying facing the grave rather than qibla and workers in the masjid could stand maybe 10 meters from him just smiling and greeting people and doing nothing. If those people are making ducaa to Allah just facing the grave then that's bidca and wrong but if they are asking help from the grave or asking intercession with Allah through the dead then that's shirk, as well as praying to it. In any case this should be stopped, where ever in the world it happens.
Leveling graves is a command of Prophet (saws). He sent Ali bin Abi Talib to a mission saying: "Do not leave any image without erasing it, nor any elevated grave without leveling it to the ground."(Muslim)
May Allah guide us all and help those who are working to raise the banner of Tawhid in Somalia.
Whatever is going on in Saudi-Arabia is not an evidence to support anything.
First off Prophet's (saws) grave wasn't inside the mosque but rather the mosque was later expanded to the area of grave and culama of this time were against that, from them Umar bin AbdulAziiz.
Secondly there used to be a people preventing people making shirk while visiting Prophet's (saws) mosque but they are long gone. Changes started in 90's and in 2000's the pace is just increasing to secularize the country bit by bit. Now you see lot of people especially in hajj season making ducaa or praying facing the grave rather than qibla and workers in the masjid could stand maybe 10 meters from him just smiling and greeting people and doing nothing. If those people are making ducaa to Allah just facing the grave then that's bidca and wrong but if they are asking help from the grave or asking intercession with Allah through the dead then that's shirk, as well as praying to it. In any case this should be stopped, where ever in the world it happens.
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Re: Proof Of Grave Worship In Somalia:
Salaam All!
This is very sad indeed. It's show's us how badly people are informed about Islam.
Destroying / eliminating such deeds are just OK.
BUT, most importantly people need to be educated about the foundation of Islam.
When a person have the right information, it's most likely that he / she will do the right thing.
This is very sad indeed. It's show's us how badly people are informed about Islam.
Destroying / eliminating such deeds are just OK.
BUT, most importantly people need to be educated about the foundation of Islam.
When a person have the right information, it's most likely that he / she will do the right thing.
Re: Proof Of Grave Worship In Somalia:
^
I tried to read your post...but I just couldnt get over ur name...lol
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Re: Proof Of Grave Worship In Somalia:
Aghast at the Salafi hordes descending on her country, a Shia woman of my acquaintance said "Shall Lebanon ever be emancipated from beturbaned miscreants?" For the explosion of violence that gripped her nation and lasted fifteen grisly years, Zealots had furnished the material and supplied the flame. The tale replays itself anew. Different setting, same benighted actors.
From their wild dens the Islamobullies rush headlong into the power vacuum, pointing, flogging, desecrating. Desecrating time-hallowed tradition, in whose quiet sanctuary the destitute find solace. Observe Gentle Reader how Saudi-infatuated rascals so contemptuously regard Somali custom. How they deride with gusto all things native, organic, and home-grown.
Encouragingly, Somalis appear innoculated against the pernicious contagion of Wahhabism. To agents of foreign dogma they are wholly immune. A boundlessly tolerant and accomodating Sufism wins their favour (No?) .
Dining with a Somali friend recently, he told me confidently no one may deprive a Somali of his liberty, of his love of wine, women and song, that should fanatics so endeavour, he would take up cudgels against the towelheads. "We shall swing them from the trees for the gangsters they are" he didn't quite say, but he didn't have to. I got the message. The Somali ummah would take care of the rest ...
From their wild dens the Islamobullies rush headlong into the power vacuum, pointing, flogging, desecrating. Desecrating time-hallowed tradition, in whose quiet sanctuary the destitute find solace. Observe Gentle Reader how Saudi-infatuated rascals so contemptuously regard Somali custom. How they deride with gusto all things native, organic, and home-grown.
Encouragingly, Somalis appear innoculated against the pernicious contagion of Wahhabism. To agents of foreign dogma they are wholly immune. A boundlessly tolerant and accomodating Sufism wins their favour (No?) .
Dining with a Somali friend recently, he told me confidently no one may deprive a Somali of his liberty, of his love of wine, women and song, that should fanatics so endeavour, he would take up cudgels against the towelheads. "We shall swing them from the trees for the gangsters they are" he didn't quite say, but he didn't have to. I got the message. The Somali ummah would take care of the rest ...
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Re: Proof Of Grave Worship In Somalia:
Uh-huh. Duly Noted.Grant wrote:http://books.google.com/books?id=HJ1vpC ... #PPA266,M1
The conclusions this book draws are particularly interesting.
The Wahhaabbi theology is similar to that of the Kharijites, copies the Takfiir of Ibn Taymiyyah, and ignores the first twelve hundred years of Islamic history, which it distrusts and attempts to revise through the destruction of early mosques and graveyards. The difference with the Suufi interpretation of graves relates to a totally different view of the spiritual nature of the human body and it's dissolution after death.
Worth reading.
My Ladyfriend is an unreconstructed Sufi of mixed Sunni-Shia extraction. A real sectarian melting-pot, blew my hair right back! Feels like a riot at her family home on festive days.
A woman not easily trifled with on matters theological, she exerted her considerable mental powers trying to make me see the error of my way. Told her as gently as I could: Gimme a break - I'm not so clever, so prodigiously well-read, so dementingly sexy as you. Zip it and pass my Padre Kino.
Ooo, she's Lovely Grant.
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Re: Proof Of Grave Worship In Somalia:
worshipping graves, praying to dead man, asking for intercession are all forms of shirk the biggest sin in islam. As far as i am concerned these acts are consistent with jahil culture and illiterate fools. Just like the south east asian culture of worshipping graves.
Good riddance.
Good riddance.
Re: Proof Of Grave Worship In Somalia:
This is probably the biggest lie ever told by the grave-worshipers & their apologists, but a lie is all it is.
Sh. Abd al-‘Azeez ibn Baaz (may Allaah have mercy on him) said:
Majmoo’ Fataawa al-Shaykh Ibn Baaz, 5/388, 389.There is a specious argument put forward by those who worship graves, namely the fact that the grave of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) is in his mosque. The answer to that is that the Sahaabah (may Allaah be pleased with them) did not bury him in his mosque, rather they buried him in the house of ‘Aa’ishah (may Allaah be pleased with her). When al-Waleed ibn ‘Abd al-Malik expanded the Mosque of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) at the end of the first century, he incorporated the room into the mosque, but he did wrong thereby, and some of the scholars denounced him for that, but he believed that there was nothing wrong with it for the sake of expanding the mosque.
It is not permissible for a Muslim to take that as evidence that mosques may be built over graves, or that people may be buried inside mosques, because that goes against the saheeh ahaadeeth, and because it is a means that may lead to shirk by associating the occupants of the graves in worship with Allaah. End quote.
Sh. Ibn Saalih Uthaymeen (may Allaah have mercy on him) was asked about the ruling on praying in a mosque in which there is a grave.
Majmoo’ Fataawa al-Shaykh Ibn ‘Uthaymeen, 12/question no. 292(1) Either the grave was there before the mosque, and the mosque was built over the grave. It is essential to shun this mosque and not pray therein, and the one who built it must knock it down; if he does not do so, then the Muslim authorities must knock it down.
(2) Or the mosque was there before the grave, and the deceased was buried after the mosque was built. In the case the grave must be dug up, and the remains taken out and buried with the people (in the graveyard).
As for praying in such a mosque, it is permissible so long as the grave is not in front of the worshipper, because the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) forbade praying in the direction of graves.
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Re: Proof Of Grave Worship In Somalia:
Acuudubilahi mina shaitani rajim.
Are they crazy or what?
Are they crazy or what?
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