Borana and Garre massacre each other in Moyale

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Re: Borana and Garre massacre each other in Moyale

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Addoow wrote:My rahanweyn friend was telling me that Garre is garre ,not hawiye or rahanweyn.
He's right they are neither Hawiye or Rahanweyn they are Digil
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Re: Borana and Garre massacre each other in Moyale

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SomaliAmir wrote:
Shirib wrote:
James Dahl wrote:Garre are just Garre, they aren't Digil, Hawiye or Dir.
According to their oral history, Garre was an Arab immigrant, but this is the story with every eponymous ancestor.
They don't trace their abtiris to any other clan.

It sounds like fierce fighting, 300 people is a lot in that part of the world.
Garre are Digil, were Digil, and will always be Digil
today they maybe Digil, but tomorrow their hawiye, the next just Garre or maybe Boraan

the fact remains that smaller clan change their allegaince when the opportunity it right
150 years ago the Garre in southern ethiopia/Northeast Kenya (not the once living in Bay or Webi Shabella) were part of a federation under the Oromo much like the Sakuya, Ajuraan which is the reason that they continue to speak their own langauge it wasn't until late 1900s that they finally broke free from oromo hegemy when Daroods and than Dagodi starting moving in mass into the area. these clans eventual successed in drive the Boraan west toward the highland and Masibat district of Kenya. the well of Wajir use to be Boraan until they were evicted. in the 1920-35 event happen which resulted in the current friction between the Garre and the Boraan. first the Gabre ( a group closely related to the Boraan often treated like the small brother of the boraan )converted to Islam and formed an alliance with the Garre. later during the Italian Occupation the Gabra and Garre were armed by the italians to police their most southern territory. small disputes eventually escalated to full blown war betweent he Gabra/Garre clans and the Boraan. in one incident the Garre/Gabra captured a boraan king, shave his head and force him to convert to islam. the war only ended when ethiopian rule was restored. where were intermitant skirmishes until the next defining event the Somali/Ethiopian war of 1977 the Garre/Gabra were armied by the Somali national army while the Boraan were armied by the Ethiopian army. when Somalia lost so did the Garre/Gabra and there was a mass exodus toward Kenya and Somalia. many live in refugee camps until the late 1980s when most returned back to Ethiopia. by the 1990 the Garre/Gabra alliance fell apart and they form stronger ties with the Dagodi which they also often fight with that where the whole Hawiye connect comes from. recently the Ethiopian Army has been arming the Garre to fight against the OLF. so do now you see how the Garre can be a part of all these groups yet also be none of them at the same time. it confusing i know but so is much of Somali history.
The one's there are a little wierd, but the Garre that live in Somalia are Digil through and through
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Re: Borana and Garre massacre each other in Moyale

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We are not in the 18th century. Many Boranas are muslim. The Borana OLF commander in Moyale is named Abdata Bashir. It is not a religious war, nor is it a football game for you to sit behind your computer monitor waving pom poms while hundreds are killed over water.
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Garre waligood dagaal may wadayaan,,garre iyo galjecel waxay dagaalamaayeen for more than 100 years,,waxaa la shegaa inay ahaayeen qabiiladii ugu horeeyey ee bilaabay dagaal qabiil
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Re: Borana and Garre massacre each other in Moyale

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Shirib wrote:
Addoow wrote:My rahanweyn friend was telling me that Garre is garre ,not hawiye or rahanweyn.
He's right they are neither Hawiye or Rahanweyn they are Digil
If Garre is Digil, what son of Digil does Garre descend, and what is Garre's abtiris to Digil?
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Re: Borana and Garre massacre each other in Moyale

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james dahal

digil are called all the clans that live in shabelada hoose there are hawiye clans,raxanweyn and other small clans which are part of digil magaca wa isbahaysi thats all its not qabiil.
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Re: Borana and Garre massacre each other in Moyale

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cabdi123 wrote:james dahal

digil are called all the clans that live in shabelada hoose there are hawiye clans,raxanweyn and other small clans which are part of digil magaca wa isbahaysi thats all its not qabiil.
This is incorrect, Digil is indeed a Qabiil. There are many clans who are associated with Digil clans due to clientage, but this is the same in all clans.
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Re: Borana and Garre massacre each other in Moyale

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Aliyyi Oromada wrote:We are not in the 18th century. Many Boranas are muslim. The Borana OLF commander in Moyale is named Abdata Bashir. It is not a religious war, nor is it a football game for you to sit behind your computer monitor waving pom poms while hundreds are killed over water.

Did i say it was a religious war, i was just pointing to the event that lead to the current endless feud between the Garre and the Boraan.secondly do you think that i enjoy or would cheer when two closely related people try to wipe each other out because of the machination of the government of Ethiopia than obviously you know nothing about me. lastly, I did know the Boraan had any large muslim population I always thought that they were opposed to islam because their rival tend to be moslem Garre, Gabra and Degodi.

Still though war isn't just coming from the somali side, I have Degodi family and the hostile between the two clans is in part because of the heavy armed OLF which attack Somali clans in the Kenya and Southern Ethiopia.
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