Crab vs malis

[The-Screw]

lol, i think he was metaphorically speaking. duh

[Voltage]

Punk

He made a very strong case, marka I wanted to see what his argument was. These kinds of cases don't strike me as spur of the moment, it takes some serious thinking to put forward.

good thing is I actually learned something about crapz

[admin]

bro voltage, what i am struggling with is the fact I can't understand why we do not have a common goal to succeed as whole. There's always a force trying to pull forward thinkers down. I remember reading a topic about a somali guy who works for the BBC. I can't recall his name now but many people were trashing him just because his parents came form a certain place. Another example is that I know people who were glamoring Abqidasim when he was running for the presidency in Somalia, saying he is clean and never took part of the ugly civil war, this and that.... All over sudden the same people portrayed him as a monster as soon as he was sworn. U may call it the nation of xasids or whatever...

[Voltage]

I don't think we are a nature of xaasids per se Admin. I think you are ignoring the big elephant in the room. The big elephant is Qabiil. Our xabiib is the one who we think is good for our qabiil. Our cadow is the one who is good for our qabiil. The people whose achievements we should celebrate are people we think are good for our qabiil and the people whose achievements we should put down are people we think are rivals/enemies to our qabiil.

This is already laid out through centuries of acculturation and cultural transformation in our harsh, desert, and resource lacking environment in the horn of Africa.

Balse maanta, I think there are individuals who are above such cut but from my own observation such people are almost always people who have forsaken their nation and people. From what I have observed, as long as you love Somalia and wish it the best it is really hard to separate yourself from the clan mentality because it is the vehicle in which you approach your nation, its what ties you to Somalia even when most of your family have left.

Take me for an example, I might as well have been born here. I went to kindergarten, elementary, middle, high school and now am in college. I ahve never set foot in Somalia since I left as a toddler nor do I remember anything about it. I am not old enough to have called on upon qabiil as a force to help me in anything. Yet while trying to find my link back to my origins, qabiil has largely been the channel in which I achieved that. Halkeen ka imi, aabahay halkee ka yimi, hooyo tolkeed waayo, ayayday tuuladee awoowgey ku aragtay, maxaa dhacayaa berigaas, tariikhda soomaaliyeed maxaad iiga sheegi kartaan, even while learning somali i learned the accent of "afkeena" (notice the emphasis on our clan and family group). So it became rooted in me, it became the prism through which I materialized my Somaliness in my internal psyche. it became the manifestation of SOMALINIMO in me, ileen Somali meel laga soo galo waa inaad leedahay.

However, when i did finally go to Africa this summer, it was like I was changed to be honest. Qabiil seemed nothing to me. When I saw masses of Somali refugees in Eastleigh walking in the mud and squaler and holed up in those cramp apt buildings I was able to sympathize with them and see them as Somali. I was not concerned that one was my clan or another was not, I was equally impacted by the misfortune that had befallen all. Masses of people who were landless, cast out from their home, and sent on a forced exile. Throughout my whole acculturation to becoming Somalia that I underwent behind the safety in the west, this is what was hidden from me---the real faces, and the real stories that was the collective sum of the Somali experience.

I discarded it then, but after coming back within months I transitioned back to my old state of mind though not fully and with the understanding of what I had seen which is a barrier from the excess of qabyaalad.

Now I know I wrote a lot as is natural for me but what I am saying is I dont think Somali people are xaasids baa nature, I think centuries of acculturation has entrenched qabiil into our psyche which then DICTATES whom we should we appreciate or whom we should not, whom we should endorse and whom we should not.

This explains why someone would think positive about Abdiqaasim but as soon as he is president (and because of that in a position of power to influence our qabiils directly for good or bad) we would discard what we personally believe of him and judge him simply on how our qabiil dictates we should judge him.

[Cawar]

Balse maanta, I think there are individuals who are above such cut but from my own observation such people are almost always people who have forsake their nation and people. From what I have observed, as long as you love Somalia and wish it the best it is really hard to separate yourself from the clan mentality because it is the vehicle in which you approach your nation, its what ties you to Somalia even when most of your family have left.

Not true IMO. I think you are just trying to find an excuse, logical explanation for self comfort..and denial of your own short comings..

There are hundreds and thousands of somali patriots who fall under the category you just described and associated for forsaking their nation and people.

[Voltage]

Cawar, I have seen few and the few have forsaken their nation and people completely.

One example for my theory is you ironically enough. You were born in Xamar, you are the ultimate "ciyaalka xaafada" who grew up in a period of beautiful and developing Somalia where honesty was work and your neighborhood was your tuulo while your Cinema-watching partner was your clansman. Yet, today in 2009 when you are supposed to have been moving forward guided along by your ciyaalka xaafada days reinforced by the destruction the nation underwent because of Qabiil, today Cawar my friend you attach the tuulo of your grandfather to your grand ole neighborhood of Boondheere. Halkee Buuryaqab o Gaalkacyo ka shisheesa ku aragtay waa yaabe?

Teeda kale, hypocrisy is what is preventing you from seeing how you constantly degrade a whole Clan of Somalis (H-clan) while you have been one of the biggest defenders of Abdullahi Yusuf, a man whom I am honestly surprised to see is loathed by many of his own nephews on this forum men like Starscream, Sheikh Farax Zeero, Dawwa, and Unclebin.

I know how argumentative you like to be Cawar but you talking about is really ironic. Btw I hope you go on to read the rest of the article and not necessarily jump to the response every time you see a delicious piece of you quote you want to attack.