The Origin of Somalis

[laander8]

On Theathres 18 may 2009

James Dahl and the Lost city of Shungwaya

coming to a theatre near you

Isn't Hadaaftimo more interesting then Goldobob ?
do you plan to feed the hyenas in Harar, James

[James Dahl]

I may
Hadaftimo is on my list as well as Geilweite aka Mosyllon.

[Abdihaliim]

go to

http://www.ysearch.org/

generation averages is about 25 years

http://www.ancestry.com/learn/library/a ... icle=11152

[James Dahl]

Ah are you this one?
http://www.ysearch.org/haplosearch_view ... =GPWCC&p=0

What clan are you from?
Generations of about 25 years assume that every child is an eldest son, and men used to marry later in life in Islamic and African societies to many women. It is not unusual for a man to sire children in his fifties or even sixties. This is why it is better to use 32 years for generations in Somali lineages.

Myself for instance, my male lineage averages about 30 years, and that is a European lineage. It would not be unreasonable to even use 35 years for Somalia.

[Abdihaliim]

Go to http://www.ysearch.org then " search for Genetic Matchs"

[James Dahl]

Go to http://www.ysearch.org then " search for Genetic Matchs" and put "GPWCC"! how many somalians you get! and are they related!

I found an exact match when I did a search
http://www.ysearch.org/search_view.asp? ... =8MH8T&p=0

Are you Reer Aw Hasan?

[Abdihaliim]

Tel me first! who are they? "Reer Aw Hasan"! Are they somalian, Oromo ar Arab orgin?
If you say they are somalian, what si their clan?

[James Dahl]

Go to http://www.ysearch.org then " search for Genetic Matchs" and put "GPWCC"! how many somalians you get! and are they related!

I found an exact match when I did a search
http://www.ysearch.org/search_view.asp? ... =8MH8T&p=0

Are you Reer Aw Hasan?

Tel me first! who are they? "Reer Aw Hasan"! Are they somalian, Oromo ar Arab orgin?
If you say they are somalian, what si their clan?

Well, Reer Aw Hasan are the descendants of Hasan al-Kawayni, who claim Ba'Alawi (Ashraaf) descent. They are not members of any other Somali clan.
However if they are Ba'Alawi they should have a different haplotype, which means either his lineage claimed Reer Aw Xasan at some point due to marriage, or Reer Aw Xasan as a whole claimed Ba'Alawi at some point due to marriage. This is not unusual to do as Ba'Alawi is a very prestigious lineage.

[Abdihaliim]

abtirsi is not reliable! why is that! check this arabman!

http://community.haplozone.net/index.php?board=1.0
then
E-M123 IN Arabia

[James Dahl]

Abtirsi isn't so much unreliable as incomplete and sometimes "routed through" a female ancestor of a more prestigious or politically expedient lineage.

African, especially Cushite lineages in Arabia are not unexpected in the least, the Horn, Sudan and Egypt (home of the E1b1b1 lineage) and Arabia (home of the J1 lineage) have been trading with each other since ancient times. His lineage is not the same as the Somali one (he is E1b1b1c, while Somali/Oromo E lineage is E1b1b1a) and is in fact probably from a native lineage to Arabia that travelled from Mesopotamia to Arabia instead of via Africa.

E lineage originates in Syria/Palestine/Lebanon area actually, though it mostly resides in Africa today.

[Abdihaliim]

We are talking Haplogroup E1b1b1 (E-M35).

[James Dahl]

We are talking Haplogroup E1b1b1 (E-M35).

This somali man is E1b1b1b (E-M81)
http://www.ysearch.org/search_view.asp? ... =BKSTV&p=0
And i am E1b1b1a (E-M78)
and the arabman is E1b1b1c (E-M123)

and all are Subclades of E1b1b1 (E-M35), Mr James, if you have three sons, one with black woman, the second one with asian woman and the third with arab woman, they all are your sons. no matter how different they look!

and by the way "Cushi and Cushite is of Gender. The Cushi refers to a male, Cushite refers to a female! So who am i?"

It's like I said originally, there are many bloodlines.
There just aren't enough Somalis who have taken the test to actually use the results for genetic genealogy. If there were, we could actually take Abtiris and compare them against genetic genealogy and reconstruct the descent history of the Somali people.

E1b1b1a1b is the most common haplogroup in Somalia, E1b1b1b1b is actually somewhat uncommon.

[Abdihaliim]

[Abdihaliim]

"Calculations based on a Bayesian coalescence approach (BATWING expansion time) indicated that the growth of the haplogroup E1b1b1a1b -V32 in the Somali population started 1200 years ago with an initial population size of 1037 individuals"

800 years ago we were close to extinction.

[James Dahl]

"Calculations based on a Bayesian coalescence approach (BATWING expansion time) indicated that the growth of the haplogroup E1b1b1a1b -V32 in the Somali population started 1200 years ago with an initial population size of 1037 individuals"

800 years ago we were close to extinction.

Not necessarily, it could be that a small tribe then expanded and took over the whole place, starting about 1200 years ago.
The furthest limit of the Somali abtiris is about 1200 years as well... coincidence?